Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 17:10:38 -0500
Reply-To: mcneely4@COX.NET
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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: Today somebody got into my van and rifled through it
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinBvvAzcbcAncznuRLGtNmWG+TJiw@mail.gmail.com>
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No one has said that entering someone else's property without permission is something that a person should do. One list member suggested that he would lie in wait with a firearm for a petty criminal to show up, seemingly with the intent of confronting that person and maybe shooting him or her. Some of us were just suggesting a little temperance and maybe thinking about the person, rather than just up and blowing him or her away. I for one would not want to be the person who shot a kid out involved in kid type misdemeanor behavior. I also would not want to be the one who shot a criminal, if that person was not in the act of trying to physically harm myself or someone else. "Within my rights," does not always convey all the nuances of how reasonable folks behave toward others.
mcneely
---- A J I <flavanagon@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I am totally with Mike on this one. If someone is willing to enter your van
> and rummage around that person is just as willing to enter your home and do
> the same thing. Hungry, homeless or whatever, you dont just go into someones
> home, in this case van, and make yourself comfortable. You ask. Most people
> will give you what you need or at the least help out however they can but
> you simply do not walk/break in to a car, home or van. That makes you a
> thief both morally and legally.
> Mike has helped me out and doesnt even know me so I can vouch for him
> helping others but actually that is beside the point. Anyone for any reason
> should not and legally cannot simply enter your property and even just sit
> there let alone take something, thats it. One can make an exception for
> dementia patients thinking it was their place but even then it is still not
> legal, although no person in their sane mind would prosecute that.
> Basically if it aint yours dont mess with it --- your parents should have
> tought you that! Just my two cents worth. I know its not Frydae but I had to
> speak up
>
> A J
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > I thought I was through with this. Lying in wait for someone to break into
> > your van is a bit different from "danger of physical injury is imminent."
> > Think about it. Do you actually want to hurt, maim, or kill someone, even
> > a thief or burglar? There are better ways of dealing with such things.
> > Good luck, I hope it all works out for the best. mcneely
> >
> > ---- Michael Sullivan <sandwichhead@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > > I was just gonna wing him :-) BTW-I CAN shoot to kill to protect myself
> > or
> > > even a neighbor or anyone else (in Texas) if danger of physical injury is
> > > immenent. I googled it ;-)
> > > Michael in San Antonio
> > > 91GL Weekender AT 2.1L 'Gringo'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Mike <mbucchino@charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Theft is not punishable by death in any US court that I know of.
> > > > Injuring the thief will make you liable for his injuries and future
> > > > disabilities.
> > > > Start a neighborhood watch organization, and the police will gladly
> > assist
> > > > you and inform of your rights.
> > > > I used to attend when I was living in the city of Phoenix, and your
> > > > neighbors are the best insurance against theft and gang crimes.
> > > > Everyone watching out for everyone else, it's your best defense when
> > police
> > > > cooperation is part of the solution.
> > > > Vigilante justice could end you up in jail, and add you and your family
> > to
> > > > the list for gang relataliation if it was a member.
> > > >
> > > > Do the right thing to protect your home, stuff and family.
> > > >
> > > > Mike B.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sullivan
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 1:16 PM
> > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > > Subject: Re: Today somebody got into my van and rifled through it
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dave...I still owe you an apology from the comment I made to you last
> > week.
> > > > I apologize.
> > > > Now, we have alot of breakins in my neighborhood because it is a nice
> > > > neighborhood. Mostly lawn companies driving through and stealing
> > stuff. I
> > > > am on the neighborhood watch, I mow about 7 old folks yards every week
> > or
> > > > two and I take care of the subdivision entrance(painting, mowing,
> > trimming
> > > > trees, etc) What i will not put up with is someone coming into my
> > place
> > > > and
> > > > messing with my stuff. if you need something, ask me. You'll most
> > likely
> > > > get it. I even give stuff to listmembers for free.
> > > > There are home invasions in San Antonio almost every day. I have
> > loaded
> > > > firearms in EVERY room that i can get to quickly because I am not a
> > sucker
> > > > and I know how to use them. I will not apologize for potecting my
> > family
> > > > and
> > > > what is mine.
> > > > I do appreciate your comments, though and, again, I apologize for my
> > > > comment
> > > > to you last week. Have a good weekend.
> > > > BTW-Will get an alarm tomorrow(I want one of those that puts 50K volts
> > in
> > > > someone who tries to break in, in case anyone knows where I can get one
> > of
> > > > those. hehehe
> > > > Michael in San Antonio
> > > > 91GL Weekender AT 2.1L 'Gringo'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:06 PM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Michael, you did not find him raping your wife. I understand your
> > feeling
> > > >> of violation. But, you found that your van had been looked through,
> > with
> > > >> evidently nothing taken, nothing damaged. Your damage deterrent of
> > > >> leaving
> > > >> the doors unlocked to prevent someone breaking the windows to get in
> > > >> worked.
> > > >> Shooting someone is a pretty strong response to a petty crime.
> > Typically
> > > >> such crimes are committed by children if in a middle class
> > neighborhood,
> > > >> or
> > > >> by homeless folks just hoping to get by in less swanky locations.
> > > >>
> > > >> I've had my disagreements with Jake, but I hope your response that
> > your
> > > >> are
> > > >> going to sleep in your van with a weapon at ready was a bit of
> > hyperbole
> > > >> due
> > > >> to the feeling of invasion of the moment. I hope that with time, a
> > cooler
> > > >> emotion might prevail.
> > > >>
> > > >> mcneely
> > > >>
> > > >> ---- Michael Sullivan <sandwichhead@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > > >> > Homelss in my driveway????How about if I found him raping my wife?
> > Tell
> > > >> you
> > > >> > what, Jake.....Don't feel you need to reply to any of my posts.
> > Your
> > > >> > comments are mostly either complaints re: off topic stuff (because
> > you
> > > >> feel
> > > >> > that you should be a list moderator) or just plain snotty. C ya.
> > > >> > Michael in San Antonio
> > > >> > 91GL Weekender AT 2.1L 'Gringo'
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jake de Villiers <
> > > >> > crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > So you're going to kill some poor homeless person for checking out
> > > >
> > > >> your
> > > >> > > van? Maybe you should be leaving him a couple of sandwiches
> > > >> instead...
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Jake
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Michael Sullivan <
> > > >> sandwichhead@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Kinda feel violated. Nothing taken. Just rifled through in my
> > > >> driveway
> > > >> > >> between 9-10:30 am. Just cleaned and vacuumed two days ago, so I
> > know
> > > >> > >> where
> > > >> > >> everything was. Sleeping in the van with the Glock tonight.
> > Really
> > > >> p'd
> > > >> > >> me
> > > >> > >> off since I don't lock it. The windows and etc are worth more
> > than
> > > >> what I
> > > >> > >> keep in in on a day to day basis so I'd rather they just open the
> > >
> > > >> >> door
> > > >> > >> instead of breaking something to get in. C ya.
> > > >> > >> Michael in San Antonio
> > > >> > >> 91GL Weekender AT 2.1L 'Gringo'
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > Jake
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > 1984 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX - 'The Grey Van'
> > > >> > > 1986 Westy Weekender/2.5 SOHC Subie - 'Dixie'
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Crescent Beach, BC
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > www.thebassspa.com
> > > >> > > www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> > > >> > > http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> David McNeely
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > David McNeely
> >
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David McNeely
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