Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:39:30 -0700
Reply-To: Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Vanagon a/c
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Let's see... you make a snide remark about "some of us care about environmental consequences of our actions", but you chafe at my retort. Seems a bit hypocritical to me. Funny, many seem to be sick of your remarks as well... go figure.
So... what about greenhouse v. CDC issue? No long diatribe explaining the benefits of greenhouse gases over CDCs? Please explain to us why R134a is so superior to R12. While you're at it, let us know why such a superior coolant like R134a is being phased out in Europe by 2017?
Jeff
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From: mcneely4@cox.net [mailto:mcneely4@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:26 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM; Jeff Schwaia
Subject: RE: [VANAGON] Vanagon a/c
Jeff, for your information, I drive the Vanagon only for camping. further, you can take your insults off the list. I (and others, so I have been told) are sick of them.
---- Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@gmail.com> wrote:
> Of course you do... that's why you drive a Vanagon.
>
> On the other hand, perhaps you prefer global warming (climate change in PC terms) over a hole in the ozone layer... Name your poison: R134a = greenhouse gas; R12 = CFC.
>
> If you really care about the environment, we'd all appreciate it if you would turn off your computer and save the electricity...
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcneely4@cox.net [mailto:mcneely4@cox.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:30 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM; Jeff Schwaia
> Subject: Re: [VANAGON] Vanagon a/c
>
> ---- Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > R134a is a poor replacement for R12. It's not nearly as efficient and it runs at a much high pressure that the old Vanagon system has problems with.
> >
> > The R12 scare is dead. It's not hard to find and isn't too expensive. I get it for about $30 a can as compared to R134a at $15 a can.
> >
> > The Vanagon system was designed for R12 and works very well. Personally, I would never switch an A/C system designed for R12 to R134a. What's the point... to save $50 on Freon?
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> Jeff, some of us care about environmental consequences of our actions. mcneely
>
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David McNeely
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