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Date:         Wed, 25 May 2011 10:29:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Place to mount shackles?
Comments: To: camping.elliott@gmail.com
In-Reply-To:  <1306337203.7964.4.camel@TheJackUbuntuNetbook>
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Lots of ways to do that, including making a wooden jig that fits over the part to be drilled that has guide holes predrilled.

Jim

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Rocket J Squirrel < camping.elliott@gmail.com> wrote:

> A handy backing plate for the non-ring end could be made from a second > D-ring bracket. Or just leave the ring in, giving an upper and a lower ring. > I don't know what for, but it could be done. The tricky part would be to > drill the two holes parallel to each other. I can't even picture how that > could be done. > > -- RJS > > > On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 09:22 -0500, Jim Felder wrote: > > Yes, that's what I had in mind exactly as one of my possible solutions. > > Jimj > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rocket J Squirrel < > camping.elliott@gmail.com> wrote: > > Something like Gary Lee did for his hitch mount? He runs a long 1/2'' > drill bit straight down from the top of the bumper, through the sheet > metal behind it, and out the bottom of the bumper, and reinforces the > bolts with chunks of metal. See bottommost pictures at > > <http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/winch/winch.htm> > > > He uses four bolts to mount the 8000 lb winch, but a D-ring mounts with > two. The pull would be at right angles to the mounting bolts, but that's > also true with the winch. > > I dunno, it's probably the best idea I've seen so for for mounting a > couple D-rings up front. > > -- RJS > > > > On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 08:34 -0500, Jim Felder wrote: > > On a related, but not exactly on-topic subject... this is related to the > > original post in that the vanagon bumper is too flimsy in itself to > attach > > anything to. It is a cosmetic skin that covers the part of the body meant > to > > take an impact (except in the rear, where there is no such part). This is > a > > lot different from the clamps that may dad made up years ago to tow VWs > > with. They just grabbed the bumper, loooped some chain through as a > backup > > and off you went. Now we are dependent on other things. > > > > I went shopping and asking around when I tried to come up with a vanagon > tow > > bar. Turns out that the metal bumper is held on with two puny screws that > > could not possibly tow the car if they were the fasteners for a towbar. > And > > there are no other choices that I know of except > > > > a) welding some larger fasteners alongside them in such a way that they > > would be covered by the bumper in normal use, and that the bumper could > be > > removed should the car have to be towed. This idea obviated the intended > use > > of my tow bar, which was to bring home vanagons I might find on cragslist > or > > wherever. Another similar concept was just to drill a 3/4 inch hole > through > > the "lip" behind the bumper on the front and fit the towbar with a > bracket > > that would attach to the lip with clevis pins. This would allow me to tow > a > > vanagon if I had access to a drill, the two holes being fairly minor > > modifications although I admit I have never drilled such holes in the > > particular spot on the vanagon. > > > > b) cutting the bumper and welding on some heavy brackets on the underside > > that were mainly hidden from view by the bumper, which would not have to > be > > removed to use them. This method also offers the problem that while it > would > > work well on your personal vehicle, it would not help you get any other > > non-modified vanagon home. > > > > So, I gave up. But still thinking about it, because if you're going to > tow > > or extract yourself, you need the same kind of strength. The bumper > simply > > won't do. > > > > Any other ideas? There is not even a place to put a D-ring up front that > I > > could find, that would actually work, without removing the bumper to use > it. > > > > Jim > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:44 AM, george jannini <georgejoann@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > >> "Approach angle"? "Off-roading"?...You have me confused with someone > > > with more courage and more brains than I. << > > > > > > Ya's don't have to go off road to graunch yer air dam... in > > > Atlanta, all you gotta do is tackle some of the steep driveways we got > > > around here. > > > > > > Mine's gotten all kind of torqued over the years...it's an '89, and > > > this bus is low. Too low. > > > > > > Geo/ATL > > > > > > >


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