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Date:         Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:44:26 -0700
Reply-To:     Oxroad <oxroad@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Oxroad <oxroad@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: can't register my Vanagon, Calif madness, LVC
Comments: To: Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To:  <4df3cddf.e21b440a.4849.ffffb261@mx.google.com>
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I think referring to that registration document with information in a 10 point font folded into the document to the size of a business card in the front window as "on display" is a generous use of the phrase. ;)

When I bought my car recently the dealer folds it and tapes it into the windshield in such a way that any information on the document is not visible through the window. I mean you could read CA DMV but nothing else--maybe the VIN # was visible on that document in that 10 point font. But it's not like an inspection sticker from some states where it is color coded by year and has a visible number on it referring to a month. It's a plain white piece of paper about 3"X5" folded over and over until it's a little smaller than a business card.

Also things may be different here in the LA area where traffic infractions are all but ignored by a completely underfunded and understaffed police force. But I do remember back east if you drove with a tail light out or even a license plate light out you were sure to get pulled over whether you were in a VW bus or my mom in her Volvo.

Whatever the case, with DMV closed for business I guess none of it matters. And don't get me started with 1 out of 4 drivers uninsured in CA or in LA if you're in t

Best, Jeff 83.5 Westy LA,CA

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@gmail.com> wrote:

> No plates... yes. However, you must have some form of registration > document on display. When a dealer sells a vehicle, they are required to > put a registration document on the windshield (right, upper corner). That > document is good for 180 days. > > If you don't have plates, you need to have a temporary registration in the > rear window (little red paper that is stuck to the inside). Temporary > registrations are usually only good for 1 or 2 months. > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Oxroad > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:35 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: can't register my Vanagon, Calif madness, LVC > > For those non-Californians-- > > It's completely legal to drive in California with NO License plate on your > vehicle. > It's largely reserved for brand new cars where you don't get license plates > from the new car dealer and drive off the > lot with no license plate, no temporary plate, no nothin'. > > You then wait for you license plate to arrive in the mail from DMV which > usually takes about 6 weeks. It's pretty much up to you when of if you put > them on the vehicle as it seems not to be a reason from police suspicion. > > The thing is people drive illegally with no plates on their cars for years. > As you may have guessed a lot of crimes committed with the use of a car are > committed by vehicles with no plates. > "Yes officer it was a 2011 black Cadillac Escalate with no license plates." > "I'll put out an APB" > Joke is almost all 2011 Cadillacs and ever other brand have no license > plates. Good luck with the APB. > > No plates saves the drivers from parking tickets, red light tickets, and > being identified if they decide to hit and run or commit a crime. And like > I > said, > they run there cars for years this way at least in the LA area. > > I've also seen plenty of used cars without plates. While in CA you sell the > license plates originally on the car with the car and the new owner > registers it with your "Old "plates, I guess if a car doesn't have CA > plates > when it's sold it's OK to drive it while you wait for DMV to mail the > plates. Or if your plates are stolen you have to wait from the DMV to get > it > together. > > With the new and consistent budget crunch it may take even more time to get > your license plates. How's your cross country trip gonna go with no plates? > ;) > > It's a mess. Prop 13 in CA in the 1970s forbids the state from reassessing > your home, so you pay 1970s value property tax on your home until you sell > it. If you bought it in the '80s you're locked in there, in the 90's the > same and so on. You may be in a million dollar home but you pay taxes as if > it was worth $30K. Kind of stresses the budget, along with a lot of > mismanagement and graft. > > But it rarely rains in SoCal. > > Best, > Jeff > 83.5 Westy > LA,CA > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Chris S <szpejankowski@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What if you lose your tag or it gets stolen? Oh, look, your tag is gone > > (quickly, hide it!). Someone must have STOLEN it. Oh D-A-R-N, now you > have > > to get a NEW one immediately! > > > > Chris. > > > > Wyslane z iPhone'a > > > > Dnia Jun 10, 2011 o godz. 21:47 mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET> > > napisal(a): > > > > > My tags will expire in a few weeks so I have been wondering where my > > > registration renewal notice is. They always come a couple months in > > > advance. I just found out that the State of California is not accepting > > > payment for tags due in July and August since they hope the legislature > > > will soon raise the fees above what they are currently due to be. > > > > > > I'm not so concerned about the amount that I will pay as much as I am > > > with the disorderly conduct of the State in putting it's citizens in a > > > bind for such trivial reasons. Calif says late fees and expired tag > > > violations will be waived but what effect does that have on other > > > jurisdictions for those of us who plan summer travel in our vans? > Really > > > Officer, I wanted new tags but the government wouldn't sell them to me > > > before I left. At the very least this provides probable cause for > > > stopping me that otherwise might not exist. > > > > > > They should just let me pay the amount that is currently authorized and > > > then send a bill for any extra should that occur. > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > >


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