Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:32:30 -0700
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From: Roland <syncronicity1@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: best lube for sliding door
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Thanks Scott,
Of course correct, synthetic oil comes from petroleum also (crack some of
the natural hydrocarbon chains, and reassemble into different hydrocarbons).
Here is a really interesting chart that shows the flow and uses of all the
energy in the US:
http://www.energycrisis.com/us/
Go to the very last chart on the page with the basic sources on the left,
and the resulting uses on the right entitled "US Energy Flow Trends 2002"
Petroleum provides 39.2 percent of potential US energy input (14.9 domestic,
24.3 imports). 15% of this (5.9) goes to "non-fuel" uses: fertilizer,
plastics, cosmetics, detergents, waxes, insecticides, and thousands of other
products (WD-40?).
Lots of other interesting perspectives in this chart, for example:
- the majority of energy that goes into the electrical grid is lost in
distribution.
- same with transportation, most energy is lost (friction, idling, lost
heat, etc.).
- 85.4% of US energy use comes from Coal, Petroleum, and Natural gas. There
is no alternative but for this country to invest in renewables (solar, wind,
geothermal, tidal, etc) and just plain reduce consumption; there will be no
more US unless we do this. And of course the cars of the future will
clearly not be petroleum based. (last month I discarded my lovely Malibu
lights in the back yard, and I take cold showers in the summer, our family
aggregates trips to the store and other places among us to reduce energy
use/cost)
Vanagons (content) are still the greenest vehicle around if we fill it with
people:
- no energy used to produce them (people who buy a used car are the
greenest!).
- a mini-car at 40 mpg moving 2 people gets 80 person-miles/gallon A
Vanagon at 20 mpg moving 6 people gets 120 person-miles/gallon!
Roland
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> lol.
> where do people think synthetic oil comes from ????
> out of the sky ?
>
> this question about what constitute synthetic oil or not ..
> caused me to think about where all our products come from.
>
> With rare exceptions almost everything we use ..
> that is not grown, like food or lumber ..
> comes out of the ground
>
> a few things come from the oceans.
> a few things come from the air I imagine ..
> but most everything that is not grown.......
> is mined out of the ground.
>
> many synthetic oils start from petroleum.
> all that matters is it's good stuff..
> and..
> here is the very funny thing to me ..
> I am seeing SO MANY 'unlubed forever' spots on vanagons ..
> if they even got spit on them it would be better than the nothing they got
> the last 25 yrs..
>
> so even if you're using cooking oil to lube things that move...
> it's 5000 % better than the pure air they've been being not-lubed with all
> this time.
>
> so as long as you are using some product ....
> 3-in-1 oil..
> whatever ...something is so Exponentially Better than the nothing they've
> been gettting ..
> that any half-good product is fine..
> and ....in my world..
> you'd be lubing the sliding door a few times a year anyway ..
> any time it seems to need it.
>
> I just got a slider open in an junkyard on an 84 ..
> it was jamed shut because both inner and outer handles were missing ..
> and even though I could put a wrench or vicegrip on the inside part that
> turns..
> it was so totally unlubed since the factory in germany ..
> that it was totally jammed shut at the aft edge.
> Never lubed once in it's entire life. What a waste.
>
> I should make that list.
> here's one to add, or notice..
> the interior light swtches ..the overhead lights.
> normally not a spot you'd lube ..
> but I see some of those getting really sticky. I'd probably use WD-40 on
> those .
>
> I got really good resulsts on the driver's door lock on my for sale super
> cherry 82 sunroof diesel vanagon ( brand new rebuilt engine too ) ..
> the key was stiff to turn ..
> I sprayed all around the door latch mechanism.
> It's hard to spray around and into where the trigger is on the outside
> handle...but I got some in there..
> but the real trick on that one was getting lube to slide down from the lock
> button.
>
> not that lock unlocks and locks with the key like it is brand new right
> from
> the factory.
>
> same on the rear hatch buttons ..
> those can get really hard to push. Especially the later kind that's flush ,
> where the button doesn't stick out . Those get really dry and stiff.
> on one I just kept shooting lube at it ...
> part of the time with the hatch left open so the lube would work it's way
> down in there ..
> what a difference after doing that about 4 times.
>
> a mechanism that moves smoothy is really nice.
> and lubes can creep a long way too..
> like capilarry action even.
>
> I don't think there is a 'wrong stuff' hardly .
> I don't think I've ever found a spary lube that wasn't pretty useful.
> I try whatever ones that happen to catch my attention.
>
> the best deal I've see is one made by PB Blaster ..the penetrating
> oil..........but this is there lube.
> Home Depot had it for $ 1.97 a can for a while..
> they still might.
> A can of really good stuff like say LPS that you'll find at a hardware
> store
> ....they can be 10 bucks ( but it lasts months so no big deal )
> ...........making the $ 1.97 can pretty attractive for the price .
> I thought it's a bit perfumey ..
> but sure is great compared to nothing.
>
> it's like people worrying nutily over if they added the wrong oil to their
> engine when they needed a qt ..
> like a different brand or different weight .
>
> especially on an engine that is not really new ..
> it hardly matters at all ....just that it's 'engine oil' .
>
> Same on the lubes 'which one' is not that important..
> that it's applied strategically and fairly often ..
> that's what's important.
> and if you're paying 9 or 10 bucks a can, it better be pretty good stuff.
>
> so many of our producs start as petroleum you wouldn't belive it .
> all plastics.
> even all high tech, high performance outdoor clothes ...'fleece' type
> clothing ..
> that all started as petroleum.
>
> take nylon ... a great tent and clothing material..
> likely is highly petroleum derived.
> We are deeply heavily into the Age Of Oil...
> heading into the Age of the Electron.
>
> pretty interesting that electric motors don't need any service ever ..
> some of them anyway. Brushless motors with only bearings or bushings that
> have moving parts ..
> they last nearly indefenitely.
>
> we coinsume btw ..just read today ..
> 21 million barrels of oil a day in the US
> and the world goes through about 88 million barrels of oil a day.
>
> that means we here in the US are consuming about 1/4th of the worlds daily
> diet of barrels of petroleum.
> It's those stupd hyper-inappropiate monster pick-up trucks that are so
> popular .
> one factor for sure.
>
> what fun !
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Edwards" <edwards151@gmail.com>
> To: "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
> Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: best lube for sliding door
>
>
> Scott, I just picked up a can of "deep creep" from my flaps. Got home and
> read the can - "100% pure petroleum". Did I get the wrong stuff? Or how
> important is it that this lube is synthetic? Feels like stupid question to
> ask but I don't want to go spraying every squeaky part on my van with this
> stuff to realize a month later that I used the wrong stuff!
>
> While I've got ya, from the way you describe this 'juice', it's a modern
> marvel. Anywhere I shouldn't use it? Or what about some of the most
> commonly
> neglected places that need this stuff (you don't have to list all 300)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jon
>
>
>
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