Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:48:23 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: I4 Happenings in turbovans land
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perhaps you missed what I said then..
a 'real' bell housing..
like a diesel bell housing for an inline four at 50 degrees is always
stronger and better than an adapter system.
it's factory after all.
adapter systems are hokey somewhat in general.
don't know if you are using an adapter or a diesel bell housing ..but I can
tell you for sure ..
that with a 5 speed trans...
or a waterboxer 4 speed...
the engine is further aft than what I consider 'the right, original way' ..
which is 82 diesel Vanagon ...
and if you have either the 5 speed with DV bell housing, or waterboxer 4
speed with DV bell housing ..
the engine is further aft by and inch or two, compared to the 'correct' 82
DV engine position.
if you use and adapter with either the 5 speed or the wbxr 4 speed trans
location and length..
then you yet further aft by another 5/8th's of an inch or so.
I suppose most people just care that it works.
I want to have the more favorable weight misdistribution,
and be easier to work on the timing belt end of the engine.
at least it's not a diesel !!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hanson" <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: I4 Happenings in turbovans land
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> all good Don,
>> thanks.
>>
>> re engine-to-trans alignment.
>> it's an adapter system ..
>> which always has the potential to be weaker.
>>
>> also ..the engine position is way too aft.
>> if it was mine ..
>> I'd move it all 2 inches forward.
>> on a waterboxer manual trans...the front trans mount is longer fore-aft
>> by
>> two inches than it needs to be.
>>
>> that means there is room to shorten the front trans, fore-aft wise.
>> shorten the shift linkage to same two inches.
>> the CV joints and axles won't care.
>> and move the middle brackets on the engine carrier bars forward a like
>> amount.
>>
>> I even did that with a 5 speed....move the front trans mount in the
>> body/frame forward two inches..to keep the 'proper' 82 diesel vanagon
>> fore-aft engine location.
>>
>> with a stock wbxr 4 speed..
>> which is equivalent in engine location to a 5 speed ( fore-aft wise ) ..
>> that puts the engine far enough back...
>> now with an adapter plate ..it's another 5/8ths an inch further aft yet.
>>
>> heck...the muffler is solid mounted and it is a small inch from the
>> crankshaft pulley .and no heat shield there either.
>> hack ..pure hack .
>> not impressed..
>> and yes...vibration issues ..
>> they have that for sure I hear.
>>
>> usuing a disesel bell housing and starter and flywheel/clutch would be
>> much, much better.
>> No adatper.
>> adpaters can rip apart ..like studs pull out etc........in some cases.
>>
>> good to see your note.
>> scott
>>
>>
> You missed what I said...According to the Tiico list, the boys at FAS
> have
> supposedly traced the sometimes encountered Tiico vibration issues to
> ....slip-shod assembly procedures..mainly bolting it up without having
> things properly straight. And the other part about 'urban myth'...that
> "Oh
> yes, those engines vibrate.....I hear" but like Subie transplants with a
> bazillion electrical glitches....you only hear about the ones that do have
> issues (caused by the poor assembly...the Tiico list folks say) There
> are
> plenty of others who say nothing because nothing bad happens..Like Miguel,
> et al.
>
> Being really tight? Not so much with my ABA conversion, which is very
> much like that Tiico. I swapped in a new camshaft and replaced a head
> gasket with the motor in the van in one afternoon...Plenty of room in
> there
> for the most part.
> From my reading, I am guessing the Tiico motor configuration has a peaky
> power output...Mine seems pretty good across the RPM range....though it
> ain't no diesel or WBX that like to be floored at 1500rpms and shifted at
> 3500...
>
> The best element of the conversion I have seems to be the 5sp tranny...
>
> Don Hanson
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