Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:55:53 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: I4 Happenings in turbovans land
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all good Don,
thanks.
re engine-to-trans alignment.
it's an adapter system ..
which always has the potential to be weaker.
also ..the engine position is way too aft.
if it was mine ..
I'd move it all 2 inches forward.
on a waterboxer manual trans...the front trans mount is longer fore-aft by
two inches than it needs to be.
that means there is room to shorten the front trans, fore-aft wise.
shorten the shift linkage to same two inches.
the CV joints and axles won't care.
and move the middle brackets on the engine carrier bars forward a like
amount.
I even did that with a 5 speed....move the front trans mount in the
body/frame forward two inches..to keep the 'proper' 82 diesel vanagon
fore-aft engine location.
with a stock wbxr 4 speed..
which is equivalent in engine location to a 5 speed ( fore-aft wise ) ..
that puts the engine far enough back...
now with an adapter plate ..it's another 5/8ths an inch further aft yet.
heck...the muffler is solid mounted and it is a small inch from the
crankshaft pulley .and no heat shield there either.
hack ..pure hack .
not impressed..
and yes...vibration issues ..
they have that for sure I hear.
usuing a disesel bell housing and starter and flywheel/clutch would be much,
much better.
No adatper.
adpaters can rip apart ..like studs pull out etc........in some cases.
good to see your note.
scott
www.turbovans.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hanson" <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: I4 Happenings in turbovans land
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:35 AM, miguel pacheco
> <mundopacheco@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Scott, I got the following, from
>> http://www.foreignautosupply.com/Tiico_Owners_Page.html
>>
>> Engine Details: The Tiico is a 2.0L and not a 1.8L. The block is of a
>> 1.8L
>> but the Crank, piston rod, and piston exchange provide the displacement
>> to
>> increase to 2.0L. The purpose of this is to have a block that is 2cm
>> lower
>> so everything fits under the engine lid.
>> Miguel
>>
>>
> A 2.0 liter motor will fit under the decklid of vanagon without messing
> around with the internals of the block. There are many of us out here
> happily running just such motors. The fitment issues with the 2.0 liter
> motors is that they have cross flow heads which puts intake parts on the
> right hand (Up, when mounted as the diesel Vanagon 4 bangers are) so that
> the deck lid won't clear. Tossing the cross-flow head and replace it with
> the 1.8 liter head makes a good clean installation with no clearance
> issues
> inside the van. It is necessary to slightly modify the driver's side
> front
> of the engine compartment (as is the case when transplanting all the
> inline
> gas motors that are mounted at 50degrees) to clear the throttle
> body..Nothing major.
>
> The 1.8 liter / 2.0 liter head swap seems fairly common with the VW Tuner
> set for more power in their street hot rods. There are lots of
> aftermarket
> speed and performance items available for these motors....fancy valve
> heads,
> forged pistons...all that. Techtonics Tuning in Oregon has a whole line
> of
> convenience items to make that head swap simple, plus a write up on their
> website. When I swapped a 2.0 liter block (93 Jetta motor) into my inline
> gasser vanagon they were very helpful with advice and in return, I bought
> many of my parts (headgaskets, etc) from them. Below is a link to their
> tech tips page outlining the ABA/1.8 liter head swap.
>
> http://www.techtonicstuning.com/main/index.php?main_page=page&id=8&chapter=5
>
> I do not have the Tiico package in my van..saying that upfront...For
> general interest, however...
>
> .... I do lurk on the Tiico forum. My installation is mechanically
> similar
> to the Tiicos.
>
> It's my understanding that this F.A.S. group has recently taken over from
> the original guy who first had the Tiico business, and they are 1000%
> better
> than he was.
> It's my impression that many of the complaints from Tiico owners were the
> result of sloppy work and indifferent customer service by the original
> U.S.
> Tiico guy... It seems these new guys have been retro-helping the older
> Tiico
> owners get their rigs working properly. They are being praised amongst the
> Tiico owners. FAS seems to be developing new items to make that
> conversion
> better. There have been lots of posts recently from happy Tiico owners,
> some with quite high mile conversions.
>
> One issue that seems to have become "common knowledge" (urban myth) about
> the Tiico and inline four conversions is that they are said to
> vibrate...Some have, from what I hear....but FAS has traced this down
> mainly
> to poor alignment between the motor and the tranny. That may be the
> "sloppy
> work" I mentioned. Their answer is to always connect the two major parts
> of
> the drivetrain together before they are firmly anchored into the
> vehicle...making sure the tranny and the engine are aligned to each other
> and to the vehicle.
>
> Don Hanson
