Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:03:29 -0400
Reply-To: Robert Stewart <robertmstewart@MAC.COM>
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From: Robert Stewart <robertmstewart@MAC.COM>
Subject: Re: 88 Vanagon with Power Windows, No Power to Switches - HELP!
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So I met with my mechanic friend, we could not find the short so he ran a power wire to the red/black wired and it worked. We put an inline fuse incase of an overload.
It ran fine for 1 day then the fuse blew. The mechanic took a look at my drivers side motor and said it was shorting out the system when it made contact to the actual window regulator. So he removed the motor and tested it alone not connected to the regulator and it worked fine! It only shorted out when it touched the regulator.
He removed it, swapped in the passenger side and it worked just fine. I just find it so strange that a good motor that worked for months all of sudden would do this. Any idea how a good motor could short out the system just by touching the regulator?
Another thing I realized is that since we did not find the cracked wire it may be feeding juice into the system and I think this is what caused the short not the motor. The wire is cracked but once in a while it connects and is sending juice. But that could be a flawed premise considering the old passenger motor is working fine and is not shorting out.
Thanks to everyone for their input! Much appreciated.
Anyone have a working inexpensive power window motor for sale?
Do any other year VW's power window motors work with a vanagon?
On Jul 29, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Frank Condelli wrote:
> Split Loom - easy just Google "Split Loom" and you'll get the whole 9 yards !
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> On 2011-07-29, at 7:25 PM, Anthony Egeln wrote:
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>> OK...Frank....
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>> What is split loom?
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>> Thanks, Anthony
>> '89 Syncro GL (Hidalgo)
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>> From: Frank Condelli <RAlanen@AOL.COM>
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 5:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: 88 Vanagon with Power Windows, No Power to Switches - HELP!
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>> Robert, what Ken said ! OK, so here's my trick for getting access to the wires in that boot between the door and body. Cut the bellows part of it off and discard. Get a piece of split loom the same diameter of the piece you cut off but long enough to go over the two ends that were left behind when you cut off the bellows part. Now you have easy access to these wires any ol' time. Now the wires, take each one, one at a time and pull on them, the one that has the broken copper inside will stretch and break the casing. Now cut back the ends of that wire until you find good clean copper to make a junction to, the copper strands will be corroded where the break was. So now make your junction using new wire of the same gauge and crimp butt connectors.
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>> The "Why is the passenger window so much slower than the driver side?" question may have multiple answers. Motor needs to be rebuilt, winding mechanism needs to be rebuilt, lift mechanism needs to be rebuilt, wiring needs to be rebuilt.
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>> On 2011-07-29, at 12:00 AM, Automatic digest processor wrote:
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>>> Not one person has any advice for me?
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>>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:30 AM, Robert Stewart wrote:
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>>>> Hi Everyone,
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>>>> I am in need of some advice.
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>>>> I have an 88 GL Wolfsburg Edition with power windows.
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>>>> I replaced all the switches 6 months ago, replaced the drivers side motor and the passenger motor is still good albeit slow.
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>>>> The power windows were working just fine up till today when all of a sudden there was a stutter in the power. It started to work then would stop and start again. Then it just stopped working.
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>>>> Later in the day I removed the door panel to see if I could see any breaks in the wires, or any burnt connections.
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>>>> All the connections were clean. I had used some sandpaper on them when I installed the switches and they were all perfectly clean and shiny.
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>>>> I checked the Fuses and all is good.
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>>>> I had moved the main cable wrap within the door and tried the switch, it was working again. So I closed my drivers side window. When I tried the passenger side it was dead with no power again.
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>>>> I moved the wires again but after 15 minutes of moving them with no success I gave up and covered my open passenger window was plastic as we are expecting rain for the next couple of days.
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>>>> Ken Wilford over at www.Vanagain.com (great guy and great vendor IMO) told me to look for a broken wire in the door where the cable wrap of wires feed through and to remove the giant rubber sleeve to try and locate the damaged wire.
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>>>> Now this is where I have no idea what I am doing and need your help in trying to locate the bad cracked wire.
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>>>> 1. How do I remove that rubber boot sleeve. It seems like its pushed into the drivers side door behind a circular groove. I tried pulling, pulling from an angle, but it does not budge. I placed my hand within the door and it felt like the rubber protective boot over the wires is extending into the frame of the door. So I have no idea how to get the boot off. Ideas?
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>>>> 2. How do I locate this wire that is supplying the power that is broken?
>>>> - I do have a volt meter and wire tester but barely know how to use it. So if you can provide some basic instruction it would be great.
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>>>> 3. Which wires do I want to pay attention to?
>>>> I read on another post that I should be looking for the black/yellow wire? Is this correct?
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>>>> 4. How do you recommend I try and fix this?
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>>>> 5. Why is the passenger window so much slower than the driver side?
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>>>> - Is it not getting enough juice or could it be it needs to be lubricated?
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>>>> - If it needs lubricating is it possible to do while it's still in the door or do it's have be removed from the door?
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>> Cheers,
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>> Frank Condelli
>> Almonte, Ontario, Canada
>> '87 Westy & Lionel Trains (Collection for sale)
>> Frank Condelli & Associates - Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in the Ottawa Valley
>> Vanagon Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems
>> BusFusion a VW Camper camping event, Almonte, ON, June 09 ~ 12, 2011
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> Cheers,
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> Frank Condelli
> Almonte, Ontario, Canada
> '87 Westy & Lionel Trains (Collection for sale)
> Frank Condelli & Associates - Vanagon/Vanagon Westfalia Service in the Ottawa Valley
> Vanagon Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems
> BusFusion a VW Camper camping event, Almonte, ON, June 09 ~ 12, 2011
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