Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:06:44 -0500
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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: Tubes in tires.
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Tom, I'm not sure what your point is. The Pinto was subject to gas tank rupturing in a rear end collision. One did not have to be smoking for the burst tank to result in flames. The same was true of the much later model Ford Crown Victoria (Mercury Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Car), but accidents involving stopped police cruisers got most of the attention. Just because something makes the news multiple times does not mean that it is a "pseudo problem." It might be for real. If Ford knew about a potentially deadly flaw, and yet continued to market the vehicle bearing it, then that was an unconscionable behavior on Ford's part. Corporations take immoral positions about as often as individuals do. The consequences are just much greater in the case of corporations.
Not just the Pinto, but other vehicles with the gas tank that far back, including some other hatch back models had the same problem. That is one reason that body style became modified considerably in most brands. mcneely
---- Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET> wrote:
> Running tubes in tubeless tires causes sidewalls to run hotter. And although
> it was a less than 0.1% problem, enough accidents have happened because of
> the practice to force the tire shops to stop putting tubes in tubeless
> tires.
>
> You only need one horrible accident involving one SUV full of Mom & Kids
> that's linked to a real or imaginary flaw to cause the National Media to go
> into a feeding frenzy. The end result will be some corporation will be hurt
> and then all of us will pay more for whatever that entire industry delivers
> because everyone in that industry has to pass along their increased
> insurance cost to us. So, who wins at the end? The defense and the
> prosecution lawyers win because they all got paid.
>
> Remember the Ford Pinto issue? If you were in a Pinto AND you were in the
> front seat smoking AND you were hit from behind AT THE RIGHT SPEED, the
> passenger compartment would get sprayed with gas and you and your family
> MIGHT turn into crispy critters. Ford knew about the problem but calculated
> accurately that it was a less than 0.1% problem. But the media picked it up
> anyway and at the end of their feeding frenzy Ford was screwed. Or more
> correctly, Ford's future customers were screwed since the cost of loosing
> was ultimately passed on to the consumer, just as all corporate lawsuits
> are.
>
> The irony of the Pinto issue was that at the same time the Toyota Corolla
> was killing drivers by impaling them on the steering column. But the Toyotas
> weren't bursting into balls of fire and they did not grab media attention!
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> craig cowan
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:14 PM
> To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> Subject: Tubes in tires.
>
> I have a BFG that was damaged at the bead upon removal from the previous set
> of wheels. It is still a great tire with tons of tread. It just leaks air
> now. I'm thinking throw a tube in it, and since it will be used as a spare
> anyway..... it should hold air well then and serve it's purpose right?
>
> Are there any flaws in this statement? Are there problems with tubes?
> Is there a reason why 4 tire shops told me today that they can't legally put
> a tube in a tubeless tire, but all suggest that I do that?
>
> -Craig
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David McNeely
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