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Date:         Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:01:37 -0500
Reply-To:     Tom Lambas <twlambas@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Tom Lambas <twlambas@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Thread locker on rod bolts?
Comments: To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
In-Reply-To:  <049801cc613e$c8e37c00$6401a8c0@PROSPERITY>
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The rods from Van Cafe's supplier look good, clean, rebushed, nicely finished, and well packaged. It is a little disconcerting to get a bit of a mixed bag though. I'll check with them tomorrow and see what they say.

Thanks, Tom

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> hi.. > that does not make a lot of sense to me about different rod nuts having > anything to do with balance. > > I like Van Cafe . They've never done me wrong in any way. > and.. > no reflection on them ..but evidently some people do not realize that a > matched set of four rods should be treated like gold... > like delicate gold. > A customer of mine had a set of AAZ rods sent from a seller in NY. > I could not believe it when I saw them.. > just tossed willy nilly in a box..caps not on their repsective rods . > old bearing shells there too. > and ...the threads for the cap bolt in one of the rods was damaged.. > and way too much force on that part to try anyting like chasing the > threads. Probably more stress on the rod cap bolts than any other part of an > engine. Those things go from being under tension to being under compression > hundreds of times a second. > they change direction hundreds of times a second. The tensile strenth of > rod bolts is in the many 10's of thousands of lbs. A highly critical > connection. > > This is how a matched set of four good used rods should > be..................... > clean, nicely packed to prevent dings and damge. > the caps should each be installed in the correct orientation on their > repsective rods. > and all fasteners should be the same type. > and ...treat them like they are deleicate. > > heck ..if you drop a rod from say 4 feet to a concrete floor .. > it might not hurt it ..but it could too. > a set of rods belongs either .. > assembled in an engine, > or carefully packed as a matching set. And treated like they are gold and > delicate. > > I had some balanced recently btw.. > rods are not just balanced to have matching total wieght .. > they are balanced per end too. > And handle , as I said..............a matching set of good used rods to > like they are gold. > > I have btw...a good set of matching used AAZ rods. > and ....since there are many 1Y 1.9 NA engines around, and worn out, and > pistons for them are nigh impossible fo find ( parts place > claimed......don't know if they have fixed this yet ...but 5 months ago they > were claiming their aaz pistons fit 1Y's too ........that is not true. ) > > a 1Y NA 1.9 uses a long rod and a short piston, compared to an AAZ 1.9 TD > engine. > The AAZ uses a shorter rod and a taller piston. > > the 1Y NA I am building ( balanced too ) will have TD rods and pistons in > it, but run naturally asperated. > that's a stronger piston .. > though with shorter rod the angularity is less optimal. > should come out very nicely though. > and I have a set of AAZ rods ..a nice good set, for sale. > and if anyone needs a single AAZ rod, we have 3 of those in stock now. > > last detail..there are two kinds of AAZ rod .. > those with a locating pin ( have only seen one set like that ever ) in the > rod cap.. > and 'normal' ones without that locating pin. The 3 singles I have are the > with-locating pin style I think., > And there are two different lengths of rod bolt used. And they are stretch > type always-replace of course. > > what fun ! > scott > www.turbovans.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Lambas" <twlambas@GMAIL.COM> > > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: Thread locker on rod bolts? > > > > Thanks Dennis, >> >> I decided not to use threadlocker. Removeable stuff was on advice of FLAPS >> guy. >> >> As an aside, one of the rods I got from Van Cafe has the divot for peening >> the shoulder of the rod nut into >> it, and the rest don't. Also one set of nuts (for one cap) has no >> shoulder. >> Maybe this helps them "balance" the set. >> Thoughts anyone? >> >> Tom L. >> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>* >> *wrote: >> >> If you're going to use a thread locker you want the strong stuff there. >>> Why >>> even consider removable? Call Loctite and get the new torque specs for >>> that >>> application. If the Loctite should do anything at all the connection has >>> already failed. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.**com<vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>] >>> On Behalf Of >>> Tom Lambas >>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:27 PM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: Thread locker on rod bolts? >>> >>> We'll, I'm back from summer travel and getting back to my 2.1 WBX >>> rebuild. >>> >>> I'm installing Rods from Van Cafe. Should I use some removable thread >>> locker >>> on the rod bolt/nut? >>> >>> Thanks, Tom >>> >>> >>> >


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