Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:12:00 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: What's the richest air fuel ration you can still make run?
also friday Megasquirt VW
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The wiring isn't that complicated. Often it's what I call 'akin to hooking
up a somewhat involved home stereo and TV unit..
a fair number of wires have to go to the right place."
Not that hard really at all... ..helps to be detail-focused, patient, even
persistent sometimes.
they don't have to be soldiered.
One guy online was talking about a place where he worked and wire splices
were used..
and each one was pull-tested to 15 lbs ....each crimp connector as it was
assembled.
Put heat shrink tubing over that..do a good careful job, and it'll be fine.
The might be the same person that said aircraft wires cant' be soldered even
..though I have no idea if that's true.
I can say though .......from having built at least a dozen harnesses , and
repaired many bogus-ed up ones....you don't need to solder.
But you do need to be meticulous about how you connect things..I check each
wire, starting at pin 1 on the ecu ....at least 3 times.
I also never final wrap it until I see the engine run for a while
successfully.
I don't even install ecu and harness in the van body , until I see the
engine run successfully.
And I don't get side tracked on embellishments, until I see the engine run
successfully .. and example of that would be tachometer on a Subaru
(without a distributor at all ) .............where you have a distributor
and coil ..so tach is extra simple on your setup.
My point is, do exactly what is needed, and no more ...to build the harness
and connect things and see the engine run, to start with. That works,
because , sometimes you do have to dig back into the just-built harness and
check and correct things. I think the megasquirt will be pretty easy
though...
..not like you are adapting one manufacturers harness, ecu, and engine into
another manufacturers vehicle.
On a Legacy Subaru 2.2 for example............the engine control wiring
harness is completely integrated into all the wires for the front of the car
....headlights, fuse box , on and on ...you have to distill out about 30 %
of the huge wiring mess you start with ........which world fill the volume
of a 30 gallon garbage can . You just keep eliminating wires...and a few
strategic cuts here and there ..until finally ........you have one
not-that-crazy engine control harness......very similar to what a waterboxer
vanagon has ...like a somewhat simple 'stand-alone' engine control harness,
finally. The Mega should be about and eighth that complicated to do.
Just do careful work And test a lot as you go.
I am working on a van right now where the owner took out the whole dash
...did a big number on the heater box and sound insulation in
there............and didn't even begin to connect or test heater control
cables at all.....
and they're super screwed up. The whole dash needs to come back to really
fix it. So evidently, some people do not know how to carefully assemble,
*and test* each component as they go along through the job.
As long as you are careful and do good work..............it's not a
problem !~
I'm very interested in doing one. I'm still going to go get that 92 jetta
8valve Digifant harness I know of though. Got everything else for it . I'm
sure it's a pretty sweet running Digifant system .
Scott
www.turbovans.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hanson" <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: What's the richest air fuel ration you can still make run? also
friday Megasquirt VW
> I got curiouus, and Pat mentioned he's done a couple of Mega-squirt
> inline
> VWs. Went online and did some reading on the MS website (linked below for
> the VW app.)
>
> I have a lot more research to do, but a cursory look around at the
> information indicates there are plenty of VWs that have been done, the
> info
> is out there, and the conversion to Mega Squirt is downright rea$onable in
> cost.
>
> I am going to keep researching some more. The only thing that has me
> somewhat intimidated is that I've never been very adept at working with
> wiring in complicated compact circuitry and I'm not adept at soldering
> stuff.
>
> I think, that with my modified inline VW motor, the ability to refine
> the
> tune, to revise the injection programming to better suit the different
> cam,
> the custom exhaust system and the increased compression ratio, that migtht
> make the time and expense (I am sure I will encounter some frustrations)
> worth while. I'd expect some further increases in power and fuel
> efficiency
> by replacing the VW factory computer operating parameters with custom
> tuning
> done specifically for this motor as it exists in my vehicle.
>
> Could be interesting..it will certainly be a learning experience..
>
>
> http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_articles/how_to_megasquirt_your_water_cooled_vw.htm
>
> Don Hanson
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM, pat <psdooley@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Magasquirt. Huh.
>>
>> I have Megasquirted three inline v-dubs now and they are working great.
>> MS interfaces lovely with the LC1 wideband O2, which gives accurate AFR.
>> Combine that with MS data logging and you can see your AFR whenever you
>> want.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Scott Daniel - Turbovans
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:19 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: What's the richest air fuel ration you can still make run?
>>
>> you should magasqirt your vanagon Don..
>> that would be interesting ..
>> and you can tell us all how it's working out.
>>
>> I'd love that for my 16-valve vw inline fours.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Don Hanson" <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:10 PM
>> Subject: What's the richest air fuel ration you can still make run?
>>
>>
>> > Just curious here. I know somewhere around 14.5:1 is stoichiometric
>> (if
>> > that is that strange word and how you spell it) or the target ratio
>> > you
>> > like to see out the tailpipe when the mixture is correct.
>> >
>> > I just did a dyno run with one of my motorcycles and it was really
>> > really
>> > rich at around 10:1...I am really tempted to look at
>> > fitting
>> > a MegaSquirt some other aftermarket controller to my inline ABA
>> > motor....just to see.
>>
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