Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:50:26 -0700
Reply-To: Al Knoll <anasasi@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Al Knoll <anasasi@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Vitrifrigo: two corrections to my earlier post
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Hi Troy, yeah yeah search the internet for how lead acid batteries work and
what the charging characteristics are. too little time to show you but it
all has to do with the available surface of the plates which is the location
of the ion exchange that makes the critter work. High current batteries
need more active surface to deliver the high rate of reaction that produces
the energy, deep discharge/low rated current batteries need thicker plates
and a slower charge rate. Don't take it from me, I'm not a chemist. Search
for flooded cell battery theory and operation and let us know what you find.
Fizzix, it's just fizzix, it's always just fizzix...attributed to Feynmann.
Pensioner who has only heard rumors of electrons
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Troy <colorworks@gci.net> wrote:
> <<2. That Dennis Haynes explained to me that I was not doing my deep-cycle
> battery any favors by recharging it gently. Turns out that batteries
> such as this want a charge rate of 10% to 16% of their rated A/h
> capacity (Trojan sez 10% to 13%), and my DC > DC charger's 7A charge
> setting was not idea. I remembered that I had the older version of the
> charger, with the "hi/lo" switch and flipped it to the "hi" setting,
> which results in somewhere (I say "somewhere" because the charge current
> varies) between 10A and 18A, which fits the charge requirements of the
> battery perfectly.>>
>
> Interesting, but I would like a more detailed explanation as to why. You
> said "batteries such as this", which I will infer to mean deep cycle
> batteries. This would mean that a 125 amp hour battery could want as much
> as 16.25 amps, which seems really high to me. By the same logic a 250 AH
> battery would want 32 amps. I don't think I have ever seen a battery
> charger go this high, short of the booster setting (55amps).
>
> Seems to me the wisdom over the years favored lower amps over a longer
> period of time, and is certainly much safer too. I do recall reading in a
> solar controller manuals about the dangers of equalization, which generate
> amperage up around 15 or so. They warn about possible battery explosion.
> (Blue sky manual) I guess I would just like to have a more detailed
> explanation as to why. Why is 10 to 13% ideal? What's going on internally?
> What are the dangers, what are the benefits?
>
> I still have yet to hook up my auxiliary 125 amp hour battery, so have the
> opportunity to use some heavier gauge wire if it is truly of benefit. My
> plan was to hook up a heavier gauge (4 gauge) wire from the alternator to
> the starter, which is the weakest link in the system. This in turn will
> allow for faster (higher amperage) charging as well, if it fact there is a
> benefit to this. I still have yet to hear a clear-cut explanation as to
> why, and there seems to be opinions for both sides. Can anybody back up the
> info with some facts please, and perhaps a source for your info? Rocket
> referred to the Trojan manual, and this at least is a credible source. More
> info please...
>
> Troy
>
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