Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:31:40 -0800
Reply-To: MICHAEL H <vwdash80@YAHOO.COM>
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From: MICHAEL H <vwdash80@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
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I've read of this wrestling match on other blogs. I keep wanting to question piston-sleeve-cylinder siezure ...
--- On Sat, 11/12/11, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET> wrote:
> From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
> Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 1:30 PM
> If the crank won't turn and the
> cylinders won't pull off then more likely
> the pistons are seized to the cylinder walls.
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]
> On Behalf Of
> HotelWestfalia
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:41 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
>
> Now I see what's going on. The engine is assembled
> with pistons and
> cylinders and the cylinders won't move. Aha. I
> don't know why I did not
> catch on. Hmmm. There must be some "glue" in
> there, because the cyliders
> are not tight in place by design. So, it can only be
> some extra item, like
> Permatex or something like that. Probably with some
> heating, it would let
> go. I would rather heat the cylinders than the
> block. I would also try
> turning them, to break the hold of the calk.
> Z
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <mbucchino@charter.net>
> To: "HotelWestfalia" <zolo@foxinternet.net>;
> <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
>
>
> > There is no way to remove the rods and/or the pistons
> before removing
> > the cylinders.
> > My idea is to put the piston at BDC and using your
> method of placing a
> > long piece of 2X4 into the cylinder, lever the
> cylinder a little
> > up/down/sideways to loosen the cylinder in the
> case. It would be best if
> > the case was bolted to an engine stand for stability
> while attempting
> > to rock the cyls free. A good penetrant applied
> liberally will help
> > greatly . Heating the case a bit using a propane
> torch will also help
> free it up.
> >
> > Mike B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HotelWestfalia
> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:07 PM
> > To: Mike ; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Stuck cylinders
> >
> > I'm sorry, it's my mistake misreading it. My
> mind was automatically
> > recalling my experience that was clearly not the
> same.
> > But I can only see some banging with this too. If the
> pistons are out,
> > one can reach the bottom of the cylinders from the
> other side, I
> > think. The case can take a little damage that
> can be smoothened out
> later.
> > I havn't seen a block without pistons and full of
> cylinders.
> > That's probably I wrote my story.
> > Good luck with it,
> > Zoltan
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike" <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
> >
> >
> >> He said 'cylinders stuck in the case', not
> 'pistons stuck in the
> >> cylinders'.
> >>
> >> Mike B.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HotelWestfalia
> >> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:20 PM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
> >>
> >> I had two engines with all the four stuck and
> managed to free them all.
> >> WD40, banging on a 2x4 on the piston going inwards
> while the crank
> >> was turned with a long breaker bar. You can
> beat on any of the
> >> pistons as hard as you want. The 2x4 just
> fits in the liner.
> >> You can turn it forward and backward when it
> starts moving a little,
> >> just to use some more penetrant or oil. But
> make sure, you have
> >> cleaned and oiled and sandpapered the free areas,
> so when it is time
> >> to slide there, it is a free ride.
> >> No need to heat, really.
> >> Zoltan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:39 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
> >>
> >>
> >>>I just can't imagine what would be wrong that
> some judicious beatings
> >>>with a rubber mallet could not cure.
> Could you heat the block with a
> >>>torch in the area of the sleeve skirt?
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:48 PM, ralph
> meyermann
> >>> <ralphmeyermann@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My favorite penetration oil is KROIL!! Its
> freed up a bunch of
> >>>> stuck/rusty rotating assemblies!
> >>>>
> >>>> Velma 82diesel 1.6 na westy
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 11, 2011 2:57 PM, "Kenneth Lewis"
> <kdlewis@northstate.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Still have not been able to
> free two piston cylinders stuck in
> >>>> the block (2.1L).
> >>>>
> >>>> Any tricks to non-destructively
> extricate them? I have tried
> >>>> several impact based motivation to no
> avail.
> >>>> TIA,
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>
> >>>> PS have you $een this?!? http://tinyurl.com/bmggj93 $2,700 for P&Cs!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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