Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:30:05 -0600
Reply-To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
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From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
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If the crank won't turn and the cylinders won't pull off then more likely
the pistons are seized to the cylinder walls.
Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of
HotelWestfalia
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:41 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
Now I see what's going on. The engine is assembled with pistons and
cylinders and the cylinders won't move. Aha. I don't know why I did not
catch on. Hmmm. There must be some "glue" in there, because the cyliders
are not tight in place by design. So, it can only be some extra item, like
Permatex or something like that. Probably with some heating, it would let
go. I would rather heat the cylinders than the block. I would also try
turning them, to break the hold of the calk.
Z
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <mbucchino@charter.net>
To: "HotelWestfalia" <zolo@foxinternet.net>; <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
> There is no way to remove the rods and/or the pistons before removing
> the cylinders.
> My idea is to put the piston at BDC and using your method of placing a
> long piece of 2X4 into the cylinder, lever the cylinder a little
> up/down/sideways to loosen the cylinder in the case. It would be best if
> the case was bolted to an engine stand for stability while attempting
> to rock the cyls free. A good penetrant applied liberally will help
> greatly . Heating the case a bit using a propane torch will also help
free it up.
>
> Mike B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HotelWestfalia
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:07 PM
> To: Mike ; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Re: Stuck cylinders
>
> I'm sorry, it's my mistake misreading it. My mind was automatically
> recalling my experience that was clearly not the same.
> But I can only see some banging with this too. If the pistons are out,
> one can reach the bottom of the cylinders from the other side, I
> think. The case can take a little damage that can be smoothened out
later.
> I havn't seen a block without pistons and full of cylinders.
> That's probably I wrote my story.
> Good luck with it,
> Zoltan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike" <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
>
>
>> He said 'cylinders stuck in the case', not 'pistons stuck in the
>> cylinders'.
>>
>> Mike B.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HotelWestfalia
>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:20 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
>>
>> I had two engines with all the four stuck and managed to free them all.
>> WD40, banging on a 2x4 on the piston going inwards while the crank
>> was turned with a long breaker bar. You can beat on any of the
>> pistons as hard as you want. The 2x4 just fits in the liner.
>> You can turn it forward and backward when it starts moving a little,
>> just to use some more penetrant or oil. But make sure, you have
>> cleaned and oiled and sandpapered the free areas, so when it is time
>> to slide there, it is a free ride.
>> No need to heat, really.
>> Zoltan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stuck cylinders
>>
>>
>>>I just can't imagine what would be wrong that some judicious beatings
>>>with a rubber mallet could not cure. Could you heat the block with a
>>>torch in the area of the sleeve skirt?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:48 PM, ralph meyermann
>>> <ralphmeyermann@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> My favorite penetration oil is KROIL!! Its freed up a bunch of
>>>> stuck/rusty rotating assemblies!
>>>>
>>>> Velma 82diesel 1.6 na westy
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 11, 2011 2:57 PM, "Kenneth Lewis" <kdlewis@northstate.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Still have not been able to free two piston cylinders stuck in
>>>> the block (2.1L).
>>>>
>>>> Any tricks to non-destructively extricate them? I have tried
>>>> several impact based motivation to no avail.
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> PS have you $een this?!? http://tinyurl.com/bmggj93 $2,700 for P&Cs!
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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