Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:09:11 -0800
Reply-To: MICHAEL H <vwdash80@YAHOO.COM>
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From: MICHAEL H <vwdash80@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Dash Cluster Substitute + Reproduce It ?
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ROFLMAO !! where's the FCC for truth in advertising? many thanx, JIM. well done ...
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> From: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Dash Cluster Substitute + Reproduce It ?
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Date: Thursday, November 24, 2011, 10:27 AM
> Scott,
>
> It's all summed up perfectly in this onion article (be
> careful who can hear
> the audio to this when you open it. It's rough).
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/ykmov27*
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Very right one Jim !
> >
> > absolutly ..
> > when what you really need to know is 'is
> something too much, or not
> > enough' , and quickly,
> > analogue wins every time. ..
> > whether for speed, coolant temp, fuel level etc.
> >
> > I think the digital world suffers from what engineers
> 'can do' .if they
> > can make 25 jee-whiz capabilities on something they
> will..
> > which is not REALLY better very often.
> >
> > what I hate..
> > pressing a button ..
> > say for volume control on a tv remote..
> > and having to wait to see if anything happens.
> > I generally seriously dislike everything that is
> digital.
> >
> > Right now I can't think of anything that is really
> better being digital.
> > and you're very right ..
> > mental process of anologe information is generally
> much faster/easier..
> > I suppose in clocks ..
> > 'time' ...digital might not be so bad ..
> > but a mid-range deflecion on the temp guage is
> processed by the brain 10
> > times faster than 178.90 degrees F is.
> > OK..............digital display of radio stations is
> better.......
> > but I still want a KNOB to turn .
> > not a button to push ! ........to change frequencies.
> >
> > 'enigineers are the enemy almost.
> > If I was King ..
> > ALL Automtove Engineers would have to work in the
> field, in the dirt and
> > grim ..
> > in the trenches, so to speak, on cars..
> > BEFORE they are every allowed to design or engineer on
> them..
> > and ..........speaking of design ..I LOVE 'design'
> ..............since
> > it's ART ..
> > and engineering something ofen is short in the art
> department.
> > and Art ..
> > is really where it's at. Live life as
> Art. Fix and preserver and
> > refurbish vanagons ..
> > in a totally artful way.
> > it's super rewarding.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:20 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: Dash Cluster Substitute + Reproduce It ?
> >
> >
> > I'm not an industrial designer but I have worked
> with many of them on
> >> human
> >> interface projects. They hate digital readouts for
> the reason you mention!
> >> Digital readouts require the re-creation of a
> context for the numbers
> >> every
> >> time you look at them, where the operating scale
> of an analog gauge
> >> provides its own context without thinking about
> it. You can get around the
> >> problem with a known context like percentage, but
> that is not always what
> >> you want.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@q.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Read a study a few years back that showed it
> takes 2 - 3 times as long to
> >>> recognize a digital number as it does to
> recognize a needle position.
> >>> Short time, but it's still eyes and
> brain off the road.
> >>>
> >>> Karl Wolz
> >>> Sent from my electronic umbilicus
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Schwaia
> <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Personally, I hate digital
> speedometers. I find the constant changing
> >>> > of
> >>> > the MPH reading to be distracting.
> Does look nice though...
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers,
> >>> >
> >>> > Jeff
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.**com<vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>]
> >>> On Behalf
> >>> Of
> >>> > Alistair Bell
> >>> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:29 PM
> >>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>> > Subject: Re: Dash Cluster Substitute +
> Reproduce It ?
> >>> >
> >>> > I think I want something like this for my
> van, mounted on cluster cover
> >>> to
> >>> > give me some info (that currently I can't
> fully see due to poor
> >>> sightlines).
> >>> >
> >>> > http://gokartsusa.com/**dunebuggyspeedometer.aspx<http://gokartsusa.com/dunebuggyspeedometer.aspx>
> >>> >
> >>> > Not saying this one will work, but you
> get the idea.
> >>> >
> >>> > alistair
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2011-11-21, at 9:11 AM, neil n wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Hi all.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On thesamba.com there's a thread on
> adapting a Fox cluster to the
> >>> Vanagon.
> >>> >> I can't find the thread right now,
> but it should be there. The thread
> >>> >> content was aimed, in part, toward
> the Suby crew, but IIRC, the swap
> >>> >> is
> >>> >> applicable to any Vanagon.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What would it take to reproduce a new
> cluster housing? Is it even $
> >>> >> feasible to do this? Thoughts towards
> this?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Does it have to be made of plastic? I
> bet a 3D printer could make a
> >>> >> prototype for (casting?) purposes.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I guess it all comes down to someone
> taking the ball and investing $
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> make it happen. I'm just thinking
> that at the very least, a plastic
> >>> > housing
> >>> >> could be reproduced then one could
> install parts specific to their >>
> >>> model
> >>> >> year. That said......
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Is the housing the same for all model
> years? I imagine there's
> >>> differences
> >>> >> in the amount and positioning of
> warning lights.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> OTOH, maybe there's enough Vanagons
> in the bone yard to provide >>
> >>> suitable
> >>> >> parts. (?)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Neil.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM,
> george jannini >> <
> >>> georgejoann@gmail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Fonman, I've just gone through
> somewhat the same dash crap as you-
> >>> >>> original problem was a broken
> speedo cable, but the job devolved into
> >>> >>> my being forced into finding,
> then assembling the best parts that I
> >>> >>> could come up with from 4 spare
> dash pods, all of which suffered from
> >>> >>> varying degrees of
> dinged/cracked/broken plastic and/or
> >>> >>> folded/broken/missing contacts
> where the console attaches to the
> >>> >>> wiring harness.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Neil n
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 65 kb image Myford Ready For
> Assembly http://tinyurl.com/64sx4rp
> >>> >>
> >>> >> '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco" http://tubaneil.googlepages.**com/<http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Vanagon VAG Gas I4/VR Swap Google
> Group:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> http://groups.google.com/**group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-**
> >>> 4-cylinder-gas-engine<http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engine>
> >>> > s
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
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