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Date:         Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:38:33 -0500
Reply-To:     Robert Stewart <robertmstewart@MAC.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Robert Stewart <robertmstewart@MAC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Gas Vapors
In-Reply-To:  <BAY152-ds1919D417763A7282728C78A0970@phx.gbl>
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Indeed I noticed the cracked plastic hole might allow dirt in the tank. I would like to just plug the hole but realize this might cause issues as well till spring.

I would like to find an easy way to just possibly place some fuel hose within the existing cracked plastic and then attach that to the existing crossover tube I got from Ken. It's freezing cold outside and I don't have a heated garage so this is major problem for me.

I did some samba research, indeed there are vendors such as Go Westy, Bus Depot and Van Cafe that sell $100+ kits with nice aluminum connectors.

Anyone have any tips on how to not drop the tank and patch this single cracked Y connector?

On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:

> This is a very common problem. You need the top crossover tube. There are > some vendors that sell a much improved set up with aluminum fittings. Not > only can gas or fumes get out but road dirt and water can get in. > > Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Robert Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:28 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Gas Vapors > > I found the source to my gas smelling issue. > > On the top center of the tank under the van I was able to take my iphone and > make a movie with the flash on and I can see in the center that there was a > Plastic Y that appears to have broken off at the lower base of the Y > connector and now only the top part of the Y is connecting the hoses which I > believe go to the vapor recovery system. > > What is the part needed to replace that broken unit? In the meantime Can I > put something in the hole to prevent the leaks and smells? > > Thanks, > Robert > Bloomingburg NY > > On May 29, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote: > >> it's a very unfun job. >> hour or two max to get out. >> >> it's just fiddly. >> not like you can bolt one part on, then the next, then the next etc. >> >> it's like you need it floating nearly in place while you mess with the > hoses >> and wires n' stuff on top of it. >> Like on a floor jack 'up there' almost where it goes, while you disconnect >> or connect stuff. >> >> they didn't want that to be too easy a job evidently. >> >> pretty sure you are 2WD ..the Syncro is a whole other story. >> >> and if it's an early 2WD van with the larger metal filler neck.. >> those can be a real PIA to get back in place at the bronze collar by the > gas >> cap getting small screws started in the bronze piece while they are > sticking >> through another rubber piece....yuck. >> The later plastic filler neck is very easy to deal with. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Stewart" <robertmstewart@MAC.COM> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:06 PM >> Subject: Re: Gas Vapors >> >> >>> Thanks John, >>> >>> This might be the case with my van as well. Any idea how hard it is to >>> drop the tank and replace the seal? How long does it take? >>> >>> Rob >>> NY >>> >>> On May 28, 2011, at 9:44 PM, John Jensen wrote: >>> >>>> Not sure if this is any help, but I had a problem when the gasket where >>>> the filler pipe goes into the tank went bad, Leaked on >>>> turns and when I filled the tank. I set out to replace the whole tank >>>> and discovered the bad gasket in the process. In that case it was a >>>> 1982 air-cooled vanagon. >>>> >>>> John Jensen >>>> johnjensen@johnjensenartist.com >>>> http://www.johnjensenartist.com >>>> bluesbug@verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/28/2011 1:43 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote: >>>>> With some effort and flashlight you can check for broken tube fittings >>>>> without dropping the tank. It is also possible the leak is from the >>>>> gauge sender o ring especially on the aftermarket tanks. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Robert Stewart >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:33 AM >>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>> Subject: Re: Gas Vapors >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I noticed today where the fuel smell is coming from. Just under my > seat >>>>>> where the tank under me I saw today a small amount gas that appears to >>>>>> have leaked out of some hose! I made a really sharp fast turn and I > saw >>>>>> a couple of tiny drips on the ground of the driveway that traced my >>>>>> turning radius. Sure enough I can see it's dripping from the top of > the >>>>>> tank down to the ground. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this mean that either the plastic crossover is cracked or that >>>>>> another hose is cracked or finally does it mean the cross over tube >>>>>> came out from the top of the tanks mounts? >>>>>> >>>>>> Note, I changed this entire tank 4 years ago with a new tank that I >>>>>> covered with Herculiner to prevent rusting and it looks amazing still. >>>>>> Plus over a year ago I installed a new set of fuel lines and a new > seal >>>>>> and crossover kit. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I am a little surprised. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert >>>>>> NY >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 25, 2011, at 11:20 PM, Robert Stewart wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dennis, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I looked tonight at my air filter, there is a line coming from the > top >>>>>>> of the round filter that has been capped off. Isn't this suppose to >>>>>>> connect to the charcoal filter? Where is that suppose to go? I assume >>>>>>> I should connect that properly correct? I think a VW mechanic I used >>>>>>> in Long Beach NY put a ball bearing in it and capped it off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 22, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Robert Stewart [mailto:robertmstewart@mac.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 7:09 PM >>>>>>>> To: Dennis Haynes >>>>>>>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Gas Vapors >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can't speak as to the Black Silicone looking thing he used on the >>>>>>>> seals. >>>>>>>> But I do believe it said it was ok for gas. Not sure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gravity Valves are where? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On top of each tank in the wheel wells. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vapor Recovery valve is on the left, right front or behind the air >>>>>>>> filter? >>>>>>>> What should I do with it once I locate it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In front of the air filter on the other side of the firewall. You >>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>> able to hear it click each time the throttle is opened when the >>>>>>>> engine is >>>>>>>> running. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I never have heard any pressure release sounds coming from the gas >>>>>>>> tank cap >>>>>>>> and this is my second van, so what is missing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Something is leaking somewhere. Just think later cars will generate > a >>>>>>>> fault >>>>>>>> code when the tank can't hold vapor pressure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 22, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Silicon and gasoline. What was someone thinking. Most say on the > tube >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> for use with gasoline or on head gaskets. It could just be a loose >>>>>>>> hose or >>>>>>>> one of the gravity valves on top of the expansion tanks. Also check >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> operation of the vapor recovery valve near the air filter. If all > is >>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>> whenever you open the cap for filling you should hear some pressure >>>>>>>> escaping. After repairs the tank and vent system can be charged to >>>>>>>> 2-3 psi >>>>>>>> to make sure the vapors are kept in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dennis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Robert Stewart >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 6:06 PM >>>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>>>>> Subject: Gas Vapors >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A year ago my mechanic and I removed my new gas tank and installed >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> crossover pipe and a seal kit with all the rubber grommets and >>>>>>>> clamps. He >>>>>>>> used some special RTV silicone on all the rubber grommets before >>>>>>>> installing >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now it's a year later and the smell of gas permeates outside the >>>>>>>> vehicle >>>>>>>> when I fill up. I have no idea what to do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am at my wits end at this point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Either a hose is damaged, or a seal must have blown ( hard to > believe >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the new rubber and RTV silicone though). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone have any advice? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>> 88 Automatic Wolfsburg >>>>>>>> All New Fuel Lines >>>>>>>> All New Hoses >>>>>>>> Rebuilt Engine >>>>>


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