Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:54:08 -0600
Reply-To: Mike South <msouth@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Mike South <msouth@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: All the gears but second
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Woooooooohooooooo!
Thanks to everyone that took the time to reply. I actually had it done
right once, then I saw how much better it fit in back, how it nestles into
place and holds itself there while you screw it in instead of just flopping
all over, and I said, "duh, I guess I better redo that".
(But what I should have said was "I need to go check to see how this is
supposed to go on", obviously).
So I really like the way Dennis phrased it here:
"Not the rear where it looks like it belongs."
Anyway, I might not be getting rubber in all four gears, but I'm definitely
getting power in all four gears now :).
I love this list. So cool that Daryl comes on to volunteer to talk me
through it over the phone, too--always good to get another warm fuzzy about
the vendor you chose!
Also, along with correct answers from Dennis, Daryl, and Miguel, Scott also
posted the correct answer, in comic sans--probably not on purpose but
definitely an added bonus for an internet meme fiend like myself.
Again, a huge, huge, thank you. To all of you.
Neil, didn't forget you, but I'm going to start a new thread on that,
because I am curious about how it's supposed to work now. That picture is
great, btw, and thanks for your input.
Here is a coupon for free homemade bagels you can redeem any time you come
to McKinney, TX:
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mike
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> The guide bushing plate on the transmission may be on the wrong side of
the
> mounting boss. It goes on the front (of van) of the casting. Not the rear
> where it looks like it belongs.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Mike South
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 12:36 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: All the gears but second
>
> Hi,
>
> I have an 85 Westy, formerly AT, that I am in (what I really I really,
> dearly hope are) the final stages of converting to a manual transmission.
I
> took it for my first test drive with everything hooked up and, as I said
in
> the subject, I can get it to go into every gear but second.
>
> The front and back shift rods (by which I mean the long rods that run from
> the bottom of the lever at the front of the van back to the ball-and-cup
> thing at the back) were clamped together by the previous owner so hard
that
> there are four indentations in the rods where the corners of the clamps
have
> bitten into the rods. Because of these indentations it is relatively easy
> to get it into the position that it used to be in (since you have that
> "convenient" (I say sarcastically) "stop" point), but getting it to move
> further in or out from that point is more of a challenge.
>
> I am wondering if people can tell me how far into the back rod their front
> rod is inserted. When I look at mine from the side, I can still see the
end
> of the front rod in the slit in the back rod. I would be able to see
> daylight through there if there was daylight to see under the van, and I
> think I could fit a thin finishing nail through there, but not much else.
>
> Here is the "logic", such as it is, that I am applying to think I might be
> able to make an adjustment to the rods to get it to go into 2nd. Since
> second gear is with the lever inside the van pulled backwards, that means
> it's pulling the lever on the transmission forward, and *if* it's not
> getting into gear because it's not moving it forward enough, it could be
> helped by me shoving the front rod further into the back rod, shortening
the
> overall length, so that when it pulls forward, it pulls further forward.
>
> I would just go down there, try that, and see if it worked except that
it's
> going to be both difficult to do, and difficult to undo, because the rods
> are deformed by the aforementioned pinching, so I thought I would bounce
it
> off y'all first and see if you think it makes sense to try or would be a
> waste of time.
>
> Also One More Thing That Might Be Relevant
>
> I did that lateral adjustment thing in the bentley where you are supposed
to
> have 23mm between the ear and the guide in the front shift box (at least
> that's what I think it's showing). When I put in a socket (that was
> actually 23.4 mm or so wide) in the position shown, the left side ear was
> all the way against the box. It doesn't look like that's what they were
> going for in the picture. I'm mentioning it in case having that
adjustment
> wrong could be the issue, and also to ask others where the left ear is
when
> the right is 23mm from the guide (or if I'm interpreting that picture
> wrong).
>
> Thanks for any help you might be able to offer.
>
> I should also mention two things about the transmission itself. One,
it's a
> zero miles rebuild from AA Transaxle. This is the first time I have used
> it. Two, I did get it to go into second, once, when I was cornering I
> think. So I'm guessing that the transmission can "do it".
>
> One other thing I guess is that, since it's second, I guess I can try
> putting it in second by hand (disconnecting the ball from the cup and
> putting it into second by hand, then starting off on a hill or something
and
> see if it is actually in gear that way, to eliminate the possibility that
> there's anything wrong in the transmission itself.
> Advice on "how you know it's in second when you're shifting it by hand"
> would also be appreciated. I'll probably lie under there while someone
else
> shifts it before disconnecting just to make sure my mental picture is
> correct before trying that. Should be easy to tell if I put it in 2nd or
> 4th though when I let off the clutch, I guess.
>
> One more thing, this is also a zero miles Bostig conversion. It's
possible
> that it could be sitting in the vehicle slightly differently (like the
whole
> transmission could be pulled a little left or right) than it would with
the
> original engine. I don't necessarily have any reason for thinking this
> would be enough to matter, but I don't want to leave anything out that
could
> possibly be relevant.
>
> Thanks for any insight you guys might have on any of it.
>
> mike
>
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