Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:33:34 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: All the gears but second
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Hi ..
glad you got it.
The Comic Sans MS font is on purpose for sure. It's the only one I
really like much,.
not sure what a 'meme fiend' is though.
I hoped you lubricated *everything* in the entire shift linkage nicely.
I do about four areas at least ..maybe 5.
'If the parts got lubricated well enough ..
they would least basically indefinitely. < not just shifter parts either >
sadly ...many vanagons get very little lubrication on about 200 spots
that could use it. "
I hope you have a nice trans oil in it.
So many vans don't get their manual trans oil changed ...in my
observation anyway.
stay cozy !
Scott
www.turbovans.com
On 3/5/2012 4:54 PM, Mike South wrote:
> Woooooooohooooooo!
>
> Thanks to everyone that took the time to reply. I actually had it done
> right once, then I saw how much better it fit in back, how it nestles into
> place and holds itself there while you screw it in instead of just flopping
> all over, and I said, "duh, I guess I better redo that".
>
> (But what I should have said was "I need to go check to see how this is
> supposed to go on", obviously).
>
> So I really like the way Dennis phrased it here:
>
> "Not the rear where it looks like it belongs."
>
> Anyway, I might not be getting rubber in all four gears, but I'm definitely
> getting power in all four gears now :).
>
> I love this list. So cool that Daryl comes on to volunteer to talk me
> through it over the phone, too--always good to get another warm fuzzy about
> the vendor you chose!
>
> Also, along with correct answers from Dennis, Daryl, and Miguel, Scott also
> posted the correct answer, in comic sans--probably not on purpose but
> definitely an added bonus for an internet meme fiend like myself.
>
> Again, a huge, huge, thank you. To all of you.
>
> Neil, didn't forget you, but I'm going to start a new thread on that,
> because I am curious about how it's supposed to work now. That picture is
> great, btw, and thanks for your input.
>
> Here is a coupon for free homemade bagels you can redeem any time you come
> to McKinney, TX:
>
> +----------------+
> | free bagels |
> +----------------+
>
> (Yes, other list members can use this even if they didn't chime in on the
> thread.)
>
> mike
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Haynes<d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> The guide bushing plate on the transmission may be on the wrong side of
> the
>> mounting boss. It goes on the front (of van) of the casting. Not the rear
>> where it looks like it belongs.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
>> Mike South
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 12:36 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: All the gears but second
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have an 85 Westy, formerly AT, that I am in (what I really I really,
>> dearly hope are) the final stages of converting to a manual transmission.
> I
>> took it for my first test drive with everything hooked up and, as I said
> in
>> the subject, I can get it to go into every gear but second.
>>
>> The front and back shift rods (by which I mean the long rods that run from
>> the bottom of the lever at the front of the van back to the ball-and-cup
>> thing at the back) were clamped together by the previous owner so hard
> that
>> there are four indentations in the rods where the corners of the clamps
> have
>> bitten into the rods. Because of these indentations it is relatively easy
>> to get it into the position that it used to be in (since you have that
>> "convenient" (I say sarcastically) "stop" point), but getting it to move
>> further in or out from that point is more of a challenge.
>>
>> I am wondering if people can tell me how far into the back rod their front
>> rod is inserted. When I look at mine from the side, I can still see the
> end
>> of the front rod in the slit in the back rod. I would be able to see
>> daylight through there if there was daylight to see under the van, and I
>> think I could fit a thin finishing nail through there, but not much else.
>>
>> Here is the "logic", such as it is, that I am applying to think I might be
>> able to make an adjustment to the rods to get it to go into 2nd. Since
>> second gear is with the lever inside the van pulled backwards, that means
>> it's pulling the lever on the transmission forward, and *if* it's not
>> getting into gear because it's not moving it forward enough, it could be
>> helped by me shoving the front rod further into the back rod, shortening
> the
>> overall length, so that when it pulls forward, it pulls further forward.
>>
>> I would just go down there, try that, and see if it worked except that
> it's
>> going to be both difficult to do, and difficult to undo, because the rods
>> are deformed by the aforementioned pinching, so I thought I would bounce
> it
>> off y'all first and see if you think it makes sense to try or would be a
>> waste of time.
>>
>> Also One More Thing That Might Be Relevant
>>
>> I did that lateral adjustment thing in the bentley where you are supposed
> to
>> have 23mm between the ear and the guide in the front shift box (at least
>> that's what I think it's showing). When I put in a socket (that was
>> actually 23.4 mm or so wide) in the position shown, the left side ear was
>> all the way against the box. It doesn't look like that's what they were
>> going for in the picture. I'm mentioning it in case having that
> adjustment
>> wrong could be the issue, and also to ask others where the left ear is
> when
>> the right is 23mm from the guide (or if I'm interpreting that picture
>> wrong).
>>
>> Thanks for any help you might be able to offer.
>>
>> I should also mention two things about the transmission itself. One,
> it's a
>> zero miles rebuild from AA Transaxle. This is the first time I have used
>> it. Two, I did get it to go into second, once, when I was cornering I
>> think. So I'm guessing that the transmission can "do it".
>>
>> One other thing I guess is that, since it's second, I guess I can try
>> putting it in second by hand (disconnecting the ball from the cup and
>> putting it into second by hand, then starting off on a hill or something
> and
>> see if it is actually in gear that way, to eliminate the possibility that
>> there's anything wrong in the transmission itself.
>> Advice on "how you know it's in second when you're shifting it by hand"
>> would also be appreciated. I'll probably lie under there while someone
> else
>> shifts it before disconnecting just to make sure my mental picture is
>> correct before trying that. Should be easy to tell if I put it in 2nd or
>> 4th though when I let off the clutch, I guess.
>>
>> One more thing, this is also a zero miles Bostig conversion. It's
> possible
>> that it could be sitting in the vehicle slightly differently (like the
> whole
>> transmission could be pulled a little left or right) than it would with
> the
>> original engine. I don't necessarily have any reason for thinking this
>> would be enough to matter, but I don't want to leave anything out that
> could
>> possibly be relevant.
>>
>> Thanks for any insight you guys might have on any of it.
>>
>> mike
>>
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