Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 20:51:26 -0600
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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: TPMS (was Checked your spare tire recently? Spare Tire Size)
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---- Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I remember when cars didn't have an outside mirror on the right side. Can you imagine driving a Vanagon without one? At some point the rear view camera-viewer may even replace the rear view mirror just like on many RVs.
To do that, the camera would have to be placed higher and have a better distant view than it has on most vehicles now. It is mounted low on the car, to provide maximum visibility at the place where a child might be behind the vehicle. But I see nothing wrong with what you suggest. Fact is, most new cars come with the rear view camera standard now, and half the remainder are bought with it as an option.
mcneely
A common option now on them is even side view cameras. Turn on a turn signal and the side view replaces the rear view. I for one like new technologies that make our lives easier and safer and TPMS is one very good one.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:25 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: TPMS (was Checked your spare tire recently? Spare Tire Size)
>
> I have a back-up cam integrated in the rear view mirror on our 2010
> Toyota Rav4. It is nice, but I've gotta admit that many times I forget
> it's there. The gov't mandating it's presence in all pass vehicles,
> and the mfgrs installing them, will NOT make anyone use one!
>
> Mike B.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
>
> > ---- Mark Tuovinen <aksyncronaut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "And if one simply disables this absurd money grabbing device on the
> >> vehicle, what harm is done? some new technology is simply not worth
> >> the expense and difficulty.
> >>
> >> mcneely"
> >>
> >> On some vehicles they communicate with things like ABS, Traction
> >> Control, Stability Assist, etc, delete the TPMS and you lose them
> >> all. Those competent enough to maintain tire pressure on their
> >> vehicles get to pay for the sins of others less capable when the
> >> goverment steps in to protect us by mandating such systems.
> >> Mandatory backup cameras are on the horizon and had been scheduled
> >> for 2013 but the manufacturers are fighting this due to the cost
> >> involved. Some mandates are a good thing but even then the
> >> manufacturers manage to string the implementation out for as long as
> >> possible. Rear seat shoulder belts were required in the US around
> >> 1989 but
> >> if I understand correctly the upper anchoring point for them to
> >> attach to was mandated in 1972. How many people were injured or
> >> killed between those years?
> >
> > well, it sounds more like manufacturers building things so to make
> > them more expensive than necessary for the consumer. If there is a
> > government requirement for backup cameras (a really needed move that
> > makers do support and that they have provided for by making the
> > cameras independent of unnecessary options like gps, which they
> > formerly were tied to), I am sure that in the long run the makers will
> > find a way to screw us on that too. though as my parenthetical points
> > out, on this one they seem to be doing better than usual. btw, the
> > backup camera will, if consumers learn to use it, save numerous lives.
> > many of those will be children not run over by their parents leaving a
> > parking space at home. that is the single most common way children
> > die in vehicle accidents currently, and the most common out of vehicle
> > accidental death of all descriptions.
> >>
> >> Mark in AK
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:00 AM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ---- Mark Tuovinen <aksyncronaut@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>>> Some TPMS systems will self initialize others do not. We run into
> >>>> this here in Alaska where it is common to have snow tires mounted
> >>>> on a
> >>> separate
> >>>> set of rims. It used to be simple and cheap to purchased extra
> >>>> rims to have your snow tires mounted on then you could install them
> >>>> at home or
> >>> take
> >>>> them to a shop if you preferred. Now with TPMS it depends upon
> >>>> which system your vehicle uses. If you are lucky your vehicle will
> >>>> accept the new rims/tires/sensors automatically if not you have to
> >>>> have a shop plug into the system and teach it to accept the new
> >>>> sensors then come spring change over you get to do it all over
> >>>> again. With TPMS on your car it
> >>> can
> >>>> run from $35.00 to $200.00 per sensor (times 4 for a set) plus the
> >>>> twice
> >>> a
> >>>> year charge to initialize the system to read the sensors when you
> >>>> swap
> >>> from
> >>>> one set of rims/tires to the other.
> >>>
> >>> And if one simply disables this absurd money grabbing device on the
> >>> vehicle, what harm is done? some new technology is simply not worth
> >>> the expense and difficulty.
> >>>
> >>> mcneely
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark in AK
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> >>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You're lucky then Dave.
> >>>>> Automotive Trade Magazines tell me that on some systems...
> >>>>> it's necessary to 'tell' the TPMS where which tire and it's
> >>>>> transmitter are now..
> >>>>> you have to 'teach' the system where each tire is..
> >>>>> on systems that have a dedicated per tire transmitter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> other systems, according to what I read use the ABS system to tell
> >>>>> when something is not right tire pressure wise..
> >>>>> and may not be able to identify 'the' tire ..
> >>>>> but will turn on a warning light.
> >>>>> The Federal requirement is that ..I think...if a tire gets below
> >>>>> something like 65 % of correct pressure ..
> >>>>> the driver gets a warning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personally I believe in being smarter about what is going on with
> >>>>> one's vehicle, not dumber.
> >>>>> I notice GPS can help one not keep the picture picture in their
> >>>>> mind of where they are going ..
> >>>>> kinda makes people dumber that way...for example.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2/26/2012 8:36 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ---- Dennis Haynes<d23haynes57@hotmail.com**> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> many cars have means to program or reset them without
> >>>>>>> additional
> >>> tools.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the only one I am familiar with provides a generic warning for
> >>>>>> any
> >>> tire
> >>>>>> when low. a simple button under the dash reprograms when the
> >>>>>> tires
> >>> are
> >>>>>> rotated. mcneely
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David McNeely
> >>>
> >
> > --
> > David McNeely
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David McNeely
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