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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:30:47 -0600
Reply-To:     mcneely4@COX.NET
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Semaphores (was TPMS (was Checked your spare tire recently?
              Spare Tire Size))
Comments: To: "Mike B." <mbucchino@charter.net>
In-Reply-To:  <2e315ae.367998.135d31e5acb.Webtop.44@charter.net>
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Now, another question: Are the semaphores legal, and are they mentioned in driver's education?

---- "Mike B." <mbucchino@charter.net> wrote: > The '59 euro ragtop Beetle that I'm currently restoring has them. I > can't wait to get this car finished and start driving it to the VW shows > in my area. It has no flashers, just semaphores.... > Driver's Ed training requires the use of hand signals. You need to > be familiar with the laws and be able to use hand signals if your car's > are not working. > > Mike B. > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote: > > > ---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> I believe the hand signals are still legal, > >> and if a vehicle has turn signal lights ..they have to be working of > >> course, > >> and I'd think if they are there, one must use them rather than hand > >> signals. > >> > >> but I bet hand signals are still legal if the vehcile doesn't have > >> and > >> didn't come with electric turn signals. > >> I just saw a guy on a chopper motorcycle use hand signals the other > >> day. > > > > Hmmm..... . I suspect that if someone gave such a hand signal on > > I-635 in Dallas, most of those blaring by at 70 mph would never even > > see it, or if they did they'd think the guy was waving at someone, and > > that he was nuts. > >> > >> personally.. > >> I think we should all have manually deployed semaphores that stick > >> out > >> of the side of our Vanagon like my 54 Bug Had. > >> Like you pull a knob, or flip a lever. > >> why not. > >> Maybe huge ones just for grins ! > > > > I remember seeing those on older bugs. they were neat, and I'd like > > to see one again. > > > > mcneely > > > >> > >> > >> > >> On 3/1/2012 3:44 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote: > >>> Well, unfortunately I don't always use the back up camera, either. > >>> I rationalize that I use it when I am in circumstances that warrant > >>> it, and am less likely to otherwise. Like a lot of other things, > >>> time and generational change will make the difference. My father > >>> continued to use hand signals for turns rather than the clicker > >>> until he stopped driving. He would even drop his hand out the > >>> window and give a slow or stop signal that way. For those who don't > >>> know, one puts the left arm out the window and points in the > >>> direction he intends to go. that is, straight out for a left turn, > >>> hand pointing up, elbow bent, for a right turn, hand pointing down, > >>> elbow bent for slow or stop. In Texas at the time, that was a legal > >>> way to signal. I haven't seen anyone do that in years. working > >>> turn signals are required on a legal car. Maybe antiques are > >>> grandfathered, and the hand signals are still legal, but I never see > >>> them. > >>> > >>> I actually used to use the hand signals sometimes, but haven't done > >>> so myself in years. > >>> > >>> So, like the change from hand signals to the clicker, generational > >>> change will make the difference in use of the backup camera. > >>> > >>> mcneely > >>> > >>> ---- "Mike B."<mbucchino@charter.net> wrote: > >>>> I have a back-up cam integrated in the rear view mirror on our 2010 > >>>> Toyota Rav4. It is nice, but I've gotta admit that many times I > >>>> forget > >>>> it's there. The gov't mandating it's presence in all pass > >>>> vehicles, > >>>> and the mfgrs installing them, will NOT make anyone use one! > >>>> > >>>> Mike B. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> ---- Mark Tuovinen<aksyncronaut@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "And if one simply disables this absurd money grabbing device on > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> vehicle, what harm is done? some new technology is simply not > >>>>>> worth > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> expense and difficulty. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> mcneely" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On some vehicles they communicate with things like ABS, Traction > >>>>>> Control, > >>>>>> Stability Assist, etc, delete the TPMS and you lose them all. > >>>>>> Those > >>>>>> competent enough to maintain tire pressure on their vehicles get > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> pay for > >>>>>> the sins of others less capable when the goverment steps in to > >>>>>> protect us > >>>>>> by mandating such systems. Mandatory backup cameras are on the > >>>>>> horizon and > >>>>>> had been scheduled for 2013 but the manufacturers are fighting > >>>>>> this > >>>>>> due to > >>>>>> the cost involved. Some mandates are a good thing but even then > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> manufacturers manage to string the implementation out for as long > >>>>>> as > >>>>>> possible. Rear seat shoulder belts were required in the US > >>>>>> around > >>>>>> 1989 but > >>>>>> if I understand correctly the upper anchoring point for them to > >>>>>> attach to > >>>>>> was mandated in 1972. How many people were injured or killed > >>>>>> between > >>>>>> those > >>>>>> years? > >>>>> well, it sounds more like manufacturers building things so to make > >>>>> them more expensive than necessary for the consumer. If there is > >>>>> a > >>>>> government requirement for backup cameras (a really needed move > >>>>> that > >>>>> makers do support and that they have provided for by making the > >>>>> cameras independent of unnecessary options like gps, which they > >>>>> formerly were tied to), I am sure that in the long run the makers > >>>>> will > >>>>> find a way to screw us on that too. though as my parenthetical > >>>>> points > >>>>> out, on this one they seem to be doing better than usual. btw, > >>>>> the > >>>>> backup camera will, if consumers learn to use it, save numerous > >>>>> lives. > >>>>> many of those will be children not run over by their parents > >>>>> leaving a > >>>>> parking space at home. that is the single most common way > >>>>> children > >>>>> die in vehicle accidents currently, and the most common out of > >>>>> vehicle > >>>>> accidental death of all descriptions. > >>>>>> Mark in AK > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:00 AM,<mcneely4@cox.net> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> ---- Mark Tuovinen<aksyncronaut@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Some TPMS systems will self initialize others do not. We run > >>>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>> here in Alaska where it is common to have snow tires mounted on > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>> separate > >>>>>>>> set of rims. It used to be simple and cheap to purchased extra > >>>>>>>> rims to > >>>>>>>> have your snow tires mounted on then you could install them at > >>>>>>>> home > >>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>> take > >>>>>>>> them to a shop if you preferred. Now with TPMS it depends upon > >>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>> system your vehicle uses. If you are lucky your vehicle will > >>>>>>>> accept the > >>>>>>>> new rims/tires/sensors automatically if not you have to have a > >>>>>>>> shop > >>>>>>>> plug > >>>>>>>> into the system and teach it to accept the new sensors then > >>>>>>>> come > >>>>>>>> spring > >>>>>>>> change over you get to do it all over again. With TPMS on your > >>>>>>>> car > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>> run from $35.00 to $200.00 per sensor (times 4 for a set) plus > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> twice > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> year charge to initialize the system to read the sensors when > >>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>> swap > >>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>> one set of rims/tires to the other. > >>>>>>> And if one simply disables this absurd money grabbing device on > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> vehicle, what harm is done? some new technology is simply not > >>>>>>> worth > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> expense and difficulty. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> mcneely > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mark in AK > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans< > >>>>>>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You're lucky then Dave. > >>>>>>>>> Automotive Trade Magazines tell me that on some systems... > >>>>>>>>> it's necessary to 'tell' the TPMS where which tire and it's > >>>>>>>>> transmitter > >>>>>>>>> are now.. > >>>>>>>>> you have to 'teach' the system where each tire is.. > >>>>>>>>> on systems that have a dedicated per tire transmitter. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> other systems, according to what I read use the ABS system to > >>>>>>>>> tell > >>>>>>>>> when > >>>>>>>>> something is not right tire pressure wise.. > >>>>>>>>> and may not be able to identify 'the' tire .. > >>>>>>>>> but will turn on a warning light. > >>>>>>>>> The Federal requirement is that ..I think...if a tire gets > >>>>>>>>> below > >>>>>>>>> something like 65 % of correct pressure .. > >>>>>>>>> the driver gets a warning. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Personally I believe in being smarter about what is going on > >>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> one's > >>>>>>>>> vehicle, not dumber. > >>>>>>>>> I notice GPS can help one not keep the picture picture in > >>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>> mind of > >>>>>>>>> where they are going .. > >>>>>>>>> kinda makes people dumber that way...for example. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2012 8:36 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ---- Dennis Haynes<d23haynes57@hotmail.com**> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> many cars have means to program or reset them without > >>>>>>>>>>> additional > >>>>>>> tools. > >>>>>>>>>> the only one I am familiar with provides a generic warning > >>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>> tire > >>>>>>>>>> when low. a simple button under the dash reprograms when the > >>>>>>>>>> tires > >>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>> rotated. mcneely > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> David McNeely > >>>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> David McNeely > >>> -- > >>> David McNeely > >>> > > > > -- > > David McNeely

-- David McNeely


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