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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:20:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: TPMS (was Checked your spare tire recently? Spare Tire Size)
              - Now Hand Signals
In-Reply-To:  <4F50340A.4060601@turbovans.com>
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Out here in Kaleeforneeah, I see people using hand signals all the time. Don't think they have anything to do with making turns though...

Cheers,

Jeff

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Scott Daniel - Turbovans Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 6:44 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: TPMS (was Checked your spare tire recently? Spare Tire Size)

Hi, I believe the hand signals are still legal, and if a vehicle has turn signal lights ..they have to be working of course, and I'd think if they are there, one must use them rather than hand signals.

but I bet hand signals are still legal if the vehcile doesn't have and didn't come with electric turn signals. I just saw a guy on a chopper motorcycle use hand signals the other day.

personally.. I think we should all have manually deployed semaphores that stick out of the side of our Vanagon like my 54 Bug Had. Like you pull a knob, or flip a lever. why not. Maybe huge ones just for grins !

On 3/1/2012 3:44 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote: > Well, unfortunately I don't always use the back up camera, either. I rationalize that I use it when I am in circumstances that warrant it, and am less likely to otherwise. Like a lot of other things, time and generational change will make the difference. My father continued to use hand signals for turns rather than the clicker until he stopped driving. He would even drop his hand out the window and give a slow or stop signal that way. For those who don't know, one puts the left arm out the window and points in the direction he intends to go. that is, straight out for a left turn, hand pointing up, elbow bent, for a right turn, hand pointing down, elbow bent for slow or stop. In Texas at the time, that was a legal way to signal. I haven't seen anyone do that in years. working turn signals are required on a legal car. Maybe antiques are grandfathered, and the hand signals are still legal, but I never see them. > > I actually used to use the hand signals sometimes, but haven't done so myself in years. > > So, like the change from hand signals to the clicker, generational change will make the difference in use of the backup camera. > > mcneely > > ---- "Mike B."<mbucchino@charter.net> wrote: >> I have a back-up cam integrated in the rear view mirror on our 2010 >> Toyota Rav4. It is nice, but I've gotta admit that many times I forget >> it's there. The gov't mandating it's presence in all pass vehicles, >> and the mfgrs installing them, will NOT make anyone use one! >> >> Mike B. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote: >> >>> ---- Mark Tuovinen<aksyncronaut@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> "And if one simply disables this absurd money grabbing device on the >>>> vehicle, what harm is done? some new technology is simply not worth >>>> the >>>> expense and difficulty. >>>> >>>> mcneely" >>>> >>>> On some vehicles they communicate with things like ABS, Traction >>>> Control, >>>> Stability Assist, etc, delete the TPMS and you lose them all. Those >>>> competent enough to maintain tire pressure on their vehicles get to >>>> pay for >>>> the sins of others less capable when the goverment steps in to >>>> protect us >>>> by mandating such systems. Mandatory backup cameras are on the >>>> horizon and >>>> had been scheduled for 2013 but the manufacturers are fighting this >>>> due to >>>> the cost involved. Some mandates are a good thing but even then the >>>> manufacturers manage to string the implementation out for as long as >>>> possible. Rear seat shoulder belts were required in the US around >>>> 1989 but >>>> if I understand correctly the upper anchoring point for them to >>>> attach to >>>> was mandated in 1972. How many people were injured or killed between >>>> those >>>> years? >>> well, it sounds more like manufacturers building things so to make >>> them more expensive than necessary for the consumer. If there is a >>> government requirement for backup cameras (a really needed move that >>> makers do support and that they have provided for by making the >>> cameras independent of unnecessary options like gps, which they >>> formerly were tied to), I am sure that in the long run the makers will >>> find a way to screw us on that too. though as my parenthetical points >>> out, on this one they seem to be doing better than usual. btw, the >>> backup camera will, if consumers learn to use it, save numerous lives. >>> many of those will be children not run over by their parents leaving a >>> parking space at home. that is the single most common way children >>> die in vehicle accidents currently, and the most common out of vehicle >>> accidental death of all descriptions. >>>> Mark in AK >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:00 AM,<mcneely4@cox.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ---- Mark Tuovinen<aksyncronaut@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>>>>> Some TPMS systems will self initialize others do not. We run into >>>>>> this >>>>>> here in Alaska where it is common to have snow tires mounted on a >>>>> separate >>>>>> set of rims. It used to be simple and cheap to purchased extra >>>>>> rims to >>>>>> have your snow tires mounted on then you could install them at home >>>>>> or >>>>> take >>>>>> them to a shop if you preferred. Now with TPMS it depends upon >>>>>> which >>>>>> system your vehicle uses. If you are lucky your vehicle will >>>>>> accept the >>>>>> new rims/tires/sensors automatically if not you have to have a shop >>>>>> plug >>>>>> into the system and teach it to accept the new sensors then come >>>>>> spring >>>>>> change over you get to do it all over again. With TPMS on your car >>>>>> it >>>>> can >>>>>> run from $35.00 to $200.00 per sensor (times 4 for a set) plus the >>>>>> twice >>>>> a >>>>>> year charge to initialize the system to read the sensors when you >>>>>> swap >>>>> from >>>>>> one set of rims/tires to the other. >>>>> And if one simply disables this absurd money grabbing device on the >>>>> vehicle, what harm is done? some new technology is simply not worth >>>>> the >>>>> expense and difficulty. >>>>> >>>>> mcneely >>>>> >>>>>> Mark in AK >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans< >>>>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You're lucky then Dave. >>>>>>> Automotive Trade Magazines tell me that on some systems... >>>>>>> it's necessary to 'tell' the TPMS where which tire and it's >>>>>>> transmitter >>>>>>> are now.. >>>>>>> you have to 'teach' the system where each tire is.. >>>>>>> on systems that have a dedicated per tire transmitter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> other systems, according to what I read use the ABS system to tell >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> something is not right tire pressure wise.. >>>>>>> and may not be able to identify 'the' tire .. >>>>>>> but will turn on a warning light. >>>>>>> The Federal requirement is that ..I think...if a tire gets below >>>>>>> something like 65 % of correct pressure .. >>>>>>> the driver gets a warning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Personally I believe in being smarter about what is going on with >>>>>>> one's >>>>>>> vehicle, not dumber. >>>>>>> I notice GPS can help one not keep the picture picture in their >>>>>>> mind of >>>>>>> where they are going .. >>>>>>> kinda makes people dumber that way...for example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/26/2012 8:36 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---- Dennis Haynes<d23haynes57@hotmail.com**> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> many cars have means to program or reset them without >>>>>>>>> additional >>>>> tools. >>>>>>>> the only one I am familiar with provides a generic warning for >>>>>>>> any >>>>> tire >>>>>>>> when low. a simple button under the dash reprograms when the >>>>>>>> tires >>>>> are >>>>>>>> rotated. mcneely >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David McNeely >>>>> >>> -- >>> David McNeely > -- > David McNeely >


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