Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:14:00 -0700
Reply-To: Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
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A $100 cat is effective for less than 2 years and is nowhere near as
efficient as an OE cat.
If you really want to do it right, buy a cat that meets OE specs... about
$500.
Cheers,
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
den jolliffe
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:46 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
Aren't we talking about a $100 part that helps emissions and the air we all
breath. Say it lasts as long as the original or less (20 years)...that's $5
a year...less than a pack of smokes or a gallon of gas A YEAR.
It's a no brainer for me...NAPA has them.
Dennis2
>________________________________
> From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:38:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>
>David, that is true. Some folks try to do something about, others rail
that it is too much to bear to clean up the act.
>
>It is true that transportation is the single largest polluter, however, and
the only way to control that is to make sure that each vehicle complies with
standard.
>
>We all pay, but then we all should.
>
>mcneely
>
>---- David M <covrambles@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>> Meanwhile US industry pumps out millions of tons of pollutants every year
while us poor suckers pay over $1000 to get thru the emissions test
(happened to me twice).
>> If you look at the statistics you will be shocked at what goes into the
air every year.
>>
>> -David, 1987 Wolfsburg
>>
>> --- On Sun, 3/18/12, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 6:14 PM
>>
>>
>> Luckily for many the federal government relies on the states for
>> enforcement. However the general requirements start at the federal
>> level (EPA),especially for the design, maintenance, and operation of
>> motor vehicles. Disabling or removing parts of the emission control
>> system are federal violations. Engine upgrades are also regulated
>> with the major requirements being that the replacement be same year
>> or later and all of the emissions equipment that goes with that
>> engine goes with it. This can include all the controls, exhaust after
>> treatment, and fuel tank vapor recovery systems and maybe even the
>> transmission/drivelien. All the state emissions programs require that
>> all the original equipment is there. Keep in mind that depending on
>> use, (load, time under load, accelerating curves, etc.), a more
>> efficient engine may not mean a cleaner engine. Some states actually
>> operate these programs as private shops can both look the other way
>> or take advantage and abuse customers. As for just relying on
>> tailpipe tests, they are just too limited in scope and function. They
>> can only look at percentages or parts per million (ppm), not actual
>> pollutants per mile especially under different conditions. Again they are
designed to identify "gross" polluters, not certify your vehicle works
perfectly.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Daniel - Turbovans
>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:27 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>>
>> what does that mean 'move issue up to the Fed level ' ?
>> there are no Fed smog stations.
>> I'm sure there is conflict between state's rights to set there own
>> emissions requirements and what the Feds want.
>>
>> I think it's interesting that where smog is not an issue locally ..
>> say where ocean air blows emissions inland ..
>> ( not talking about Ca. )
>> there can be no local smog checks at all, yet the cars are still
>> emitting, it's just blowing somewhere else.
>>
>> fortunately for many of us smogs checks are not required.
>> I would be in favor of basic tail pipe checks..
>>
>> and an example of how silly the whole thing is ..
>> in Ca ...
>> officially, they will not allow people to put newer more fuel
>> efficient, less polluting engines into their older vans.
>> Pretty stupid.
>> They could/should PAY people for putting in a late model less
>> polluting and more fuel efficient engine into our old beaties.
>> But then anyway ...'logical/practical' and 'government' have never
>> been known to coincide. Durn shame.
>>
>>
>> On 3/18/2012 9:36 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
>> > It will run just fine with the guts removed. There may be a very
>> > slight performance penalty as the gasses bounce around in the
>> > hollow cat. Not having a local emissions testing/enforcement
>> > program just moves the issue up to the federal level.
>> >
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> > Behalf Of marc rose
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:54 AM
>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> > Subject: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>> >
>> > I went to change out my worn out and rusted muffler on my 90 Carat
"Rosie"
>> > yesterday and noticed that the converter was all busted up and the
>> > ceramic is all but gone. I live in an area that has no enforced
>> > emission tests or anything like that. My question is can i can
>> > safely run without the convertor. I was going to just bust out the
>> > rest of the ceramic and reinstall but was not sure how it would
>> > affect the overall operation of the engine.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts??
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>
>--
>David McNeely
>
>
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