Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:14:30 -0400
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
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Luckily for many the federal government relies on the states for
enforcement. However the general requirements start at the federal level
(EPA),especially for the design, maintenance, and operation of motor
vehicles. Disabling or removing parts of the emission control system are
federal violations. Engine upgrades are also regulated with the major
requirements being that the replacement be same year or later and all of the
emissions equipment that goes with that engine goes with it. This can
include all the controls, exhaust after treatment, and fuel tank vapor
recovery systems and maybe even the transmission/drivelien. All the state
emissions programs require that all the original equipment is there. Keep in
mind that depending on use, (load, time under load, accelerating curves,
etc.), a more efficient engine may not mean a cleaner engine. Some states
actually operate these programs as private shops can both look the other way
or take advantage and abuse customers. As for just relying on tailpipe
tests, they are just too limited in scope and function. They can only look
at percentages or parts per million (ppm), not actual pollutants per mile
especially under different conditions. Again they are designed to identify
"gross" polluters, not certify your vehicle works perfectly.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Daniel - Turbovans
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:27 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
what does that mean 'move issue up to the Fed level ' ?
there are no Fed smog stations.
I'm sure there is conflict between state's rights to set there own emissions
requirements and what the Feds want.
I think it's interesting that where smog is not an issue locally ..
say where ocean air blows emissions inland ..
( not talking about Ca. )
there can be no local smog checks at all, yet the cars are still emitting,
it's just blowing somewhere else.
fortunately for many of us smogs checks are not required.
I would be in favor of basic tail pipe checks..
and an example of how silly the whole thing is ..
in Ca ...
officially, they will not allow people to put newer more fuel efficient,
less polluting engines into their older vans.
Pretty stupid.
They could/should PAY people for putting in a late model less polluting and
more fuel efficient engine into our old beaties.
But then anyway ...'logical/practical' and 'government' have never been
known to coincide. Durn shame.
On 3/18/2012 9:36 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
> It will run just fine with the guts removed. There may be a very
> slight performance penalty as the gasses bounce around in the hollow
> cat. Not having a local emissions testing/enforcement program just
> moves the issue up to the federal level.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf Of marc rose
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:54 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>
> I went to change out my worn out and rusted muffler on my 90 Carat "Rosie"
> yesterday and noticed that the converter was all busted up and the
> ceramic is all but gone. I live in an area that has no enforced
> emission tests or anything like that. My question is can i can safely
> run without the convertor. I was going to just bust out the rest of
> the ceramic and reinstall but was not sure how it would affect the
> overall operation of the engine.
>
> Any thoughts??
>
> Thanks
>
> Marc
>
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