Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:44:56 -0500
Reply-To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
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From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
Subject: Re: Form Jay Leno's Garage
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The car manufacturers make zero profit from coolant changes - the dealerships profit from coolant service.
The real issue is that this stuff does not have the heat carrying capacity of conventional cooling. And since everything including the water pump capacity hoses and radiator design are considered when they design a new car the Engineers would have to size accordingly for this coolant. In other words, the water pump, hoses and radiator would need to be larger & more costly.
And they would not be paying anywhere close to retail $200 per car - $10.00 or less per car is probably closer to reality. And the extra $10.00 per car for coolant would be pennies compared to all of the other changes.
Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of Todd Last
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 1:20 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Form Jay Leno's Garage
Perhaps because adding $200 to the manufacturing cost, and at the same time eliminating the profit they get from doing coolant changes does not make economic sense to them.
Todd
On 4/5/2012 1:34 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
> Take your choice. I know what my choice is. I really believe if this were the way to go, manufacturers would be sending out vehicles from the factory filled with the stuff. After all, they have gone more and more "maintenance free." Most fittings no longer need lubing (long time now). Transmissions are supposed to be "service free." Yet, manufacturers keep putting in ethylene glycol based coolant and recommending change intervals. This stuff has been around for years now, no manufacturer has picked it up.
>
> Wonder why?
>
> mcneely
>
> ---- Hector Zapata<hlzapata@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> That's what I found interesting about the video, and the fact that
>> there's no pressure build up, hence the hoses last longer and the
>> heads/water pump, too. I replaced all the cooling system parts a
>> couple of years ago, almost all, if not all the plastic parts
>> replaced with stainless steel or aluminum pieces. Some people are
>> using long life coolant in their vans, so why not a "for life" one? A
>> 5-gallon bucket might cost me $200.00, contrary to thounsands to
>> replace the heads, gaskets, hoses... it kinda sorta makes sense to
>> me. But what do I know, I've had my van for almost fifteen years and
>> driven about 140,000 miles with all kinds of problems and issues,
>> mostly due to ignorance, and/or not doing a good job fixing something
>> the first time. It's been said that if it's not done right the first
>> time for being in a hurry, somehow there's always time to fix things
>> a second or third time. I think I haven't learned that lesson yet for some mysterious reason.
>>
>> Hector
>> 1990 Carat 'Ursula'
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Todd Last<Rubatoguy@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thought I would share the response I got from Evans coolant after
>>> showing them a photo of typical Vanagon water jacket seal corrosion,
>>> and asking if using their coolant would help:
>>>
>>> ".......we have seen this type of corrosion in steel head as well as
>>> aluminum. The culprit is actually the acids that form over time due
>>> to the electrolysis. Our coolant will eliminate all the corrosion
>>> factors along with the electrolysis. Our coolant is also phosphate free."
>>>
>>> On 4/1/2012 5:43 AM, Hector Zapata wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/**extras/car-care/waterless-**
>>>> engine-coolant/index.shtml<http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/car
>>>> -care/waterless-engine-coolant/index.shtml>
>>>>
>>>>
> --
> David McNeely
>
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