Date:         Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:53:15 -0700
Reply-To:     Phil Zimmerman <philzimm1@SHAW.CA>
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From:         Phil Zimmerman <philzimm1@SHAW.CA>
Subject:      Re: VW of Canada Reman Plant Sold to Cummins? When?
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Date:         Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:21:27 -0700
Reply-To:     neil n <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>

Hi all.
Am looking at a Westy with a "factory remanufactured engine" (2.1
WBX). It may be a VW of Canada reman. Engine has about 34,000 KM's.

> Low in KM's but, getting somewhat long in the tooth for age would be my take. Recall the Canadian Reman supply dried-up around 2003-04? The Archives will hold the more accurate response..
> FWIW, the 2.1l CND-Reman WBXer I installed in 2001 did 270K KM before I pulled it last year.
> Squish and OP were still good. Engine never hiccuped ... tons of other crap rusted, broke or fell-off as/per
> the Vanagon histrionics ... :>(

It seems VW have sold that aspect of their business to Cummins:
http://gerry.vanagon.com/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0006B&L=vanagon&P=R4071

> Dunno about a sale to Cummins but a Vw-Cummins licensing agreement might be the more accurate label here.
> New engines from the homeland were still available to the Dealers in Canada until at least the late 1990's. The cost of shipping and the CND-$ to Euro-$ exchange was bleeding the Canadian Dealers though.

> That Reman I mentioned above, cost me $3,580 in 2001, C-$ at the Dealers. These engines carried a one year guarantee across the north american VW Dealer network. This alone was worth something, back in the day... Now? Worthless, gotta make your own determination about the engine.

Does anyone have an approximate time line of when this happened?

> Mid to late 1990's until 2003-4 would be a wild guess. I've lost contact with my Vw Dealer guru...

It was interesting to get some insight via the archives. Here's a post
from the esteemed Bob Donalds (may he RIP):
http://gerry.vanagon.com/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0410A&L=vanagon&P=R3349&m=188659

> Wisdom speaks from the grave.... :-)

> Archives are kool...!

In my mind I wouldn't assume that Cummins did the job right on the WBX
(maybe the diesels?) but maybe they stood a much better chance?

> As others have posted, it's a reman!
> Anything reman'ed is gonna have some goofs, errors and/or meltdowns...
> Splitting hairs, a reman is perhaps better than a rebuild or refreshed engine.
> Recall Bob D was a stickler for this. Bob was humble though, admitted even he had a few engines go south on him.
> The best thing these "Yellow Tagged" engines had was the one year Dealer wide warrantee.
> Warrantees expire but, the yellow sticker does give a prospective buyer a trail to follow.
> Better than a rebuild by me.... 8-(

> Pz

> on a rock off the westcoast
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