Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:13:06 -0400
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From: Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Question about sound-deadening alternatives
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Below is a cobbled together series of posts about
my experience. After more time on the road, it
is definitely quieter. My GF agreed right away too.
This project is now complete. I put some Peel
and Seal in the passenger door on top of the Tite
Seal product that I had put in there first. That
helped that door to be quieter on the "thump"
test and when closing the door. The door closing
is nowhere near and quiet and solid sounding as
on a "modern" car like my 2002 Golf, but it is a
lot less like the sound of slamming the lid on a
garbage can. Much deeper sound and less sustain
or "ringing" after it's closed. It seems like
most of the remaining rattly sound when closing
comes from the top window frame's meeting with
the van. Sort of slaps and bounces there.
So then for a test drive. I am not sure, but it
seems a little quieter up front right from
starting the engine and beginning to move. It
definitely sounds a little different. I'll have
to put some more time on it to see if this is a
psychological effect or real. It's not a great
big change, but seems better based on one short
drive. The speakers do sound quite
good. Especially for $15. Rich the original
poster had some additional larger speakers in the
front, and that would probably round out the
sound. The Bass is not great with these but mid
and high sound very good to me. I mostly listen
to talking people radio shows and rarely turn
music up very loud. I do like it to sound good
at moderate volume though. Now my rear
blaupunkts are not too happy, and I have set the
fader way to the front so as not to blow those
out right away. I wonder if there is a speaker
that would fit in the stock enclosure back there
that would be more biased toward resolving the bass?
This was a good little project and I'm glad I did
it. Thanks to Rich for the tip on these bargain
speakers which pushed me over the edge to actually get this done.
Edward
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I can now tell you the "Tite Seal" I bought does
not work. It is sold as window flashing. I put
it inside the passenger door and thumped on the
outside of the door all over the place and didn't
notice much difference from the driver's door
with nothing in it. Not much difference between
the sound of closing the two doors either. Then
I got some Peel and Seal today and put that in
the driver's door. There is a definite dampening
of the sound and lowering of the frequency of
what I hear when thumping on that door, or
closing the door. I measured with my digital
caliper (whose battery was near death) and got
.73mm thickness for the Tite Seal and 1.3mm for
the Peel and Seal. There you go. Maybe Tomorrow
I'll get the speakers back in the door panels and
the door panels back on and really test it out.
Edward
>Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 1:13 PM
>the new speakers into the housing using "automotive goop." I'm now
>going to apply some "peel and seal" type stuff to the inside of the
>doors like people do when they are doing this front speaker
>project. I found 2 products at Lowe's. The actual Peel and Seal 6"
>x 25', and something called "Seal Tite" (or something very close to
>that) 4" x 25'. I figured that smaller width would be easier to
>apply inside the door and hopefully will do as good of a job
>deadening the sound. Quite a bit cheaper per square foot, but not as
>thick as peel and seal.
At 06:51 PM 4/29/2012, Jim Felder wrote:
>Alternative for lack of a better word—meaning an alternative to the
>expensive products made for the purpose, that I have to order and
>can't get more of if I run out.
>
>Over the years I have heard people refer to a peel and stick
>asphalt-based product they got at the home stores. I was poking around
>today and found various sizes of rolls of peel and stick flashing. I
>was not impressed with how thin it was.
>
>Is this what people are using? Is there another product I should be
>looking for? Is it just not worth it, and I should be ordering the
>real deal?
>
>Those with opinions, please share.
>
>Jim