Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:03:45 -0700
Reply-To: Aristotle Sagan <killer.jupiter@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Aristotle Sagan <killer.jupiter@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Failed Ca Smog due to Evaporative leak
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Now I don't mind you using my words in a quote, I'll stand by them.
But you didn't attribute the second quote to anyone, thereby inferring
that it came out of my email. Not true. I never said a damned thing
about paying someone off. Be a little more careful.
As far as my comments and your explanations, good for you. Doesn't
sound like a good business model, but then again 1.) I ain't no
business man, and 2.) You sell how you want, what you want, where you
want. You could get your engines through CARB but you won't bow to
some bureaucrat. Sounds like you are. As an engineer, I believe there
are only two conditions, one not realized and one complete.You have
chosen the first as your 'design philosophy'.
'
Whatever, not my battle, over and out.
tim in san jose
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Jim Akiba <syncrolist@bostig.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Figured I'd comment and add some correct information.
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Aristotle Sagan
> <killer.jupiter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To accuse BenT or SAH of doing something illegal wouldn't be right
>> either. It is someone doing their homework, something Bostic
>> apparently didn't do.
>
> This is quite the stinging accusation, I feel bad for those Bostic
> guys whoever they are. At Bostig we've done, and continue to do more
> homework than anybody (we are the only ones that have literally
> written a book about our conversion). We chose not to allow owners to
> go the BAR route like everyone else does, because it would require the
> addition of systems that cause trouble in the focus (EGR, EVAP, to
> name two), and remove value to customers/owners. We're not going to
> change our design philosophy at the expense of reliability or bang for
> the buck to satisfy a bureaucrat or make additional sales. It is not
> in our customers best interest, and the fact that people can depend on
> our judgement for that is the sole reason we are in business and is
> non-negotiable. Also since we are the only ones that guarantee a
> conversion will be successful, if someone made a run at a BAR ref and
> the ref has an off day there can be no guarantee they will get a
> sticker allowing them to be legal in CA. Technically by the BAR's own
> rules, refs aren't allowed to pass OBDII engine swaps if they don't
> also bring the donor transmission with them, but luckily enough of the
> refs (like the guy Stephan uses) are more reasonable than the letter
> of their regulation. This however makes it impossible for us to truly
> guarantee a successful conversion, so we won't do it since that
> assurance is a big part of the value we offer. The only way we'd
> release a CA model is via an EO obtained on a design of ours, but by
> mandate or satisfying others. Also be careful when you assume that
> just because you've never heard about something, that it doesn't
> exist. We're in more ways than one sort of the Apple of vanagonland,
> and we keep dev close to the chest (to a fault sometimes).
>
>>> You can't use a Bostig, 'cause they didn't pay off the CARB. You think a
>>> 2.5 liter Subaru motor is a dirty one while the 2.2 is OK?...You think a
>>> modern Focus motor is a polluter, worse than the WBX motor it replaces (in
>>> other states)? No, they just didn't Pay.
>
> It has nothing to do with payment at all. Not sure where that guess
> would come from, but it has nothing to do with it. Only one OBDII
> engine swap in the world has a CARB EO, and it was a struggle for GM
> to get it, they can't get their second attempt through currently.
>
> In addition, last I heard the CARB EO for the Kennedy 2.2 is now
> invalid, as the catalytic converter used in the EO is NLA. If we had
> an old pre OBDII engine (which is somewhat silly to do in 2012) we
> could get an EO without much trouble, at least compared to the OBDII
> process.
>
> If you guys are really interested in what goes on, I suggest becoming
> a member of the SAE and you'll get the SAE rag, a couple years of
> reading them and you'll have a much deeper understanding of how things
> tend to work in the automotive engineering/manufacturing industry.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jim Akiba
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Where ever you are, there you be. Unless you're driving my van, in
which case, you ain't got there yet.
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