Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:15:03 -0500
Reply-To: mcneely4@COX.NET
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From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: EPA and Vanagon Emissions
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Scott, I can't dispute you about Washington registration being only for Washington based vehicles. I can promise you that one cannot register a vehicle in Oklahoma or in Texas without the vehicle's home address being in those states. In fact, in both states, it must be registered in the county of residence of the owner. This is related to distribution of registration fees to counties for road maintenance and taxes to schools and other entities for operating costs. I live in Oklahoma County. I cannot register my car in Cleveland County.
An exception to this is allowed for Native Americans. They may get their registration from their "Indian Nation," for example, the Cherokee Nation. In that case, the plate shows the tribe, but also Oklahoma. The state gets part of the money, so does the tribe.
A few years ago there was a spate of non-residents of Texas trying to do all sorts of things to try to defraud Texas universities of non-resident tuition. The publicity around that led to the state publicizing the registration laws. A New York resident cannot register his New York based car in Texas. If that New York resident takes up residence in Texas, then he can register his car there. If he owns a Texas business, then the business can own cars and register them in Texas, but not the individual unless he lives there.
Do people violate this? All the time, I am sure. mcneely
---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
> Hi ..
> didn't know you were in Wa. ...'I'm sorry.' - joking.
> < I earned the right to say that by enduring 4 years in Port Townsend. >
>
> everything costs more in Wa. more or less.
> I'd just rather pay the regular fee and have no restrictions.
> One thing Oregon is smart about , regarding registering vanagons and
> any car, is they register them two years at a time.
> If California would do that, their DMV would save 5 million dollars in
> admin costs the first year.
>
> Interestingly, in Oregon a Camper costs less to register than a
> non-camper. Used to be the other way around.
>
> Wa can be so Third World. One time I asked them at the Court House in
> Port Townsend if the address the car was registered to had to be in Wa (
> for Wa plates and reg ) ..
> they say 'no' ..as in 'of course not'. Like you can have plates from
> Wa or whatever state but the vehicle registered to address in another
> state.
>
> The DMV can 'try' to make people think that a car has to be registered,
> or smogged and registered in order for a person to own it.
> That can not possibly be true. Ownership and road registration are
> totally separate things.
> Ca is trying to tell a client that in order to get his van titled in Ca
> just so he can take it to Idaho and title and register it there...
> he has to smog and register it in Ca first ..
> No way is that possible. You could by a dead pile of parts that make a
> 50 year old car, get it titled in your name just fine, with no intention
> of ever putting it on the road. Title and road registraton are separate
> issues. You don't have to register a car to own it, like have it titled
> in your name.
>
> anyway(s) ..
> I'd just pay the normal fees.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/28/2012 9:02 PM, Stuart MacMillan wrote:
> > There is no definition, they just figure that any car over 30 years old
> > probably isn't driven much. It's just not intended for regular
> > transportation. Here we have toll roads and bridges, and If I bought an
> > electronic pass and used it every day with collector plates that would
> > probably be the end of that. Oregon is much more restrictive, but I think
> > your license fees are lower than WA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans [mailto:scottdaniel@turbovans.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:17 PM
> > To: Stuart MacMillan
> > Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: EPA and Vanagon Emissions
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi ..
> > thanks for making that clear, but if a person can't run to the store in
> > their fine van...
> >
> > You can get collector care insurance for an '84 vanagon' ?
> > but not an 84 Westphalia Vanagon ?
> >
> > doesn't sound right.
> > Wonder what your DMV's defenition of 'excursion' is.
> >
> > scott
> >
> > On 6/28/2012 1:55 PM, Stuart MacMillan wrote:
> >
> > No mileage limit, just can't be used for "regular transportation", i.e.,
> > daily driver. "Shows, events, excursions..." etc. are fine. I'll be doing
> > excursions all over the US! Unfortunately, I cannot find collector car
> > insurance for campers.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> > in three years I can get a free collector vehicle plate (or nearly
> > free, one time $45 fee)!!
> >
> >
> > Check to see if miles per year are limited with a Collector Car
> > plate. Usually they are I believe.
> >
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David McNeely
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