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Date:         Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:46:13 -0400
Reply-To:     Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mark D?  Someone with a scope?
Comments: To: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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The idle speed stabilizer shares some of the ECU inputs such as temp 2 and of course the tach signal. This along with the pulsing of the idle valve puts noise on some of the circuits. With two devices sharing the temp 2 circuit a good ground path is really critical. Un plug the idle controller and watch some of those readings change.

Dennis

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of David Beierl Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:49 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Mark D? Someone with a scope?

Hi Volks,

I wonder if someone out there has a scope and can look at the hash on the B+ and maybe a sender lead like T-II or AFM?

I've been looking for example at the AFM lead, referenced to the ground bolt by the ECU (2.1l) and it's sitting at a pretty constant ~2 volts with the engine idling. But on that two volts is riding a bunch of junk that I have to verify by examining B+, but I'm pretty sure is switching hash from the alternator regulator. There's some regular squarish-wave oscillation that comes and goes at a few hundred mV (and on the T-II signal, for example, where the base signal is something like 0.1 V when the engine's hot, the oscillation makes it average a couple tenths higher); but the most striking thing I'm seeing is a regularly repeating pattern with more than 1.6 millisecs before a repeat. It starts out with an underdamped wave at 4 mHz with p-p amplitude of EIGHT VOLTS for the first cycle or two, then after that dies away the voltage gradually droops and then descends in a smooth curve with minimum about -2 V, the same as the bottom of the first cycle of the big spike. There's some low-amplitude (1-2 V) oscillation then the voltage gradually climbs back up to the average value. Total time is about 8 microsecs.

I'm not very happy seeing all that junk on B+, but it really bothers me that it's leaking through the ECU into the sender inputs. My greatest concern is actually T-II, where as I said the average value of the signal rises a couple tenths of a volt when you start the engine, making it getting on for three times as high as it should be. I'm pretty sure my 1.9l didn't do that, as I had a Digitool hooked to it for quite a long time.

Can anyone compare this with their own beast and give me a heads-up?

A year or so ago I was looking at what's on the alternator B+. I'll have to revisit that but whatever I was looking at I tried adding a bigger capacitor on the output and it started ringing like crazy. I didn't have a big choke to try.

Thanks, David


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