Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 20:47:35 -0600
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Poor Hot Start Discovery - midway through solution
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Skip
I've running a NAPA/Bosch N69100 on my 90Westy for 17mos & 17000mis
and it seems to be working just fine. For NoEthanolGas
check out ~~~ http://pure-gas.org/
ORR ~ DeanB
On 27 Aug , 2012, at 8:12 PM, Skip wrote:
> Well, tonight I removed my Pierburg (8 months old) fuel pump
> intending to put in my old/spare Bosch fuel pump just for kicks, to
> see if it would affect the "loss of power" issue. No avail. The
> electrical connections are different; the Pierburg has threaded
> fittings and the Bosch has spades. Oh well. I did drain some fuel,
> then reassembled the Pierburg.
>
> Prior to this, I recreated the fuel pump whine followed by loss of
> power (fuel?). This, even after I dumped a pint (16 oz.) of Sea-
> Foam into about 8 gallons left in the tank. When the van lost power
> I idled for awhile, turned the engine off and on, then it seemed to
> correct itself for another mile or two, then repeated the event.
> When I was three miles from home, I idled in the township offices'
> parking lot for awhile (all's well) as I looked and listened
> around. The idle was still a bit rough.
>
> Then, after the fuel pump reinstall, I took the van out for another
> run. Boy, did it sound smooth, idled smooth, the whole bit. No
> reoccurrence of the whine nor the loss of power. Sometimes it seems
> a part just wants to be removed, coddled, then put back, I think.
> This was a 4 mile run. This week, I'll drive the van to the office
> a few times for a bit more shakedown (50 miles round trip). I think
> that I'll order another fuel pump (new spare), search out some non-
> ethanol gas stations (thanks David), and order another spare Temp II
> sensor (I have my old one). What is the "high end/high quality"
> brand of Temp II sensor and where can I source it? And is there an
> opinion on fuel pump brand? Bosch or Pierburg?
>
> Hope to travel to "Buses Nowhere Near the Arch" in Missouri this
> weekend (about 250 miles one way). I do have the AAA 200 mile tow
> package...
>
> So, the Temp II sensor/connector and the fuel pump seem to be
> behaving for now. At least, I think, I've determined effect>cause
> for some things, but it puts me on edge a bit. It certainly
> reinforces the good practice of traveling with a spare parts box,
> and my traveling tool box contains a few more things, as well.
>
> I hope that this has been a worthwhile post.
>
> Skip
> '84 Westy (1.9 case with a 2.2L GoWesty kit in her)
> Oh yea, I measured the 30-50 in third and made 8 seconds three
> different times. Quite pleased.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:34:19 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: Poor Hot Start Discovery - midway through solution
>
> posted before, but worth doing again, because of new list members,
> you can find ethanol free gasoline from this list:
>
> http://pure-gas.org/
>
> ---- Skip wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> I have no good reason to use premium...(I thought Scott would have
>> posted your question first, but then it's relatively early in the
>> Cascades).
>> No good reasons:
>> 1. Ethanol in fuel here, therefore looking for highest btu/gallon
>> in premium.
>> 2. GoWesty article (still a newbie, therefore taking Lucas' advice
>> verbatim...not really)
>> 3. Compared to impact of filling my GMC Sierra 4WD, $40 for the
>> Vanagon is not as tragic.
>> 4. Since I no longer buy foo, foo Starbucks' drinks, I buy Vanna
>> Pearl a premium drink...
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Skip
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dave Mcneely
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:52:08 -0000 (UTC)
>> Subject: Re: Poor Hot Start Discovery - midway through solution
>>
>> For what it's worth, why do you use premium fuel? Of course, not
>> using won't influence the problem you are experiencing, but it will
>> save money by eliminating a cost with no benefit. mcneely
>>
>> ---- George Laubach wrote:
>>> Hi Rob,
>>>
>>> Fuel filter is as new as the new pump. Filter is the large metal
>>> cylinder downstream from the pump. I just filled up with a 91
>>> octane mid-grade gas this morning, and I was at 90 miles from full
>>> at the start of the issue. I normally use premium and fill up
>>> after 200 to 220 miles (1/4 tank) and average about 18-19.5 mpg.
>>>
>>> I don't rule out bad gas or a questionable fuel tank. Gotta get to
>>> the bottom of this Temp II sensor first, and maybe the fuel
>>> pressure regulator.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>
>>>> noisy fuel pump in my world means a new fuel filter or a new fuel
>>>> tank (in the case of this 84 when I bought it).
>>>> How low was the fuel level when the van started running poor? My
>>>> '84 would seem to run out of gas at 3/4 tank, a new tank fixed a
>>>> lot of things. But that was me...
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> David McNeely
>>
>
> --
> David McNeely
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