Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 00:16:28 -0400
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: TRW Brake Pads? (1988 Westy)
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These are also known as the "Axis" metal masters. This is a semi-metallic
type shoe. There is also the non-metallic or "organic" version and then the
high end ceramics. I have had varying experiences with ceramics on a number
of different cars, some not favorable at all. While some are concerned over
rotor wear the reality is that some wear is required to keep the surface
clean from nay glaze or debris. You want to see a nice consistent polishing.
Front disc brake pulsing is not always caused by the rotors actually warping
but from the friction surface glazing and then having varying frictions hit
the pads causing the wheel pull and pulsing. As for the rear shoes comparing
most aftermarket to the OEM the rivets alone are the important part, it is
the quality and thickness of the lining. The factory shoes start out with a
6mm lining, most replacements are only 4 or maybe 5. This put the shoes at a
poor contact patch right from the start. Shimming out the lower shoe rests
compensates for this and worn drums.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
neil n
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:24 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: TRW Brake Pads? (1988 Westy)
Hi Dennis.
Thanks much for the recommend.
I have PBR semi metallics on my '81 but have read that the "Metal Masters"
are good.
Are you running those? I don't see them on the PBR website.
Are "Axxis/PBR Deluxe Advanced Ceramic" pads the new "Metal Masters" ?
Link: http://www.pbrbrakes.com/html/products/friction/deluxe/index.htm
Neil.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I have tried many pads over the years and despite the somewhat higher
> cost I really prefer the PBR for the Vanagon. After they seat they
> work really well and give very good life. My next choice would be OEM but
they dust real bad.
>
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf Of neil n
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 3:50 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: TRW Brake Pads? (1988 Westy)
>
> Hi all.
>
> Debating over PBR Metal Masters (or whatever they call them now) or
> TRW pads.
>
> The TRW *may* have the "Cotec" coating (see below). I have to wonder
> if the Cotec burns off during bedding in or gets impregnated into the
rotor metal?
>
> Anyone used the TRW semi metallic pads? If so, any opinions on
> stopping power?
>
> I don't care about dusting or noise levels. Just want a pad that
> offers good stopping power and as little fade as possible during
> normal use (i.e. not riding brakes etc.)
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil.
>
>
> From TRW webpage here:
> http://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/Products/Disc-Brake-Systems/Brake-Pad
> s/
>
> "TRW has introduced Cotec - an innovative coating for its brake pads.
> Independent tests have proven that Cotec achieves significantly
> shorter stopping distances than the brake pads of major competitors or
> even OE, for the first stops after leaving a garage following a brake pad
change."
>
>
> --
> Neil n
>
> 65 kb image Myford Ready For Assembly http://tinyurl.com/64sx4rp
>
> '88 Slate Blue Westy to be named.
>
> '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco" http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
>
> Vanagon VAG Gas I4/VR Swap Google Group:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-
> engine
> s
>
--
Neil n
65 kb image Myford Ready For Assembly http://tinyurl.com/64sx4rp
'88 Slate Blue Westy to be named.
'81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco" http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
Vanagon VAG Gas I4/VR Swap Google Group:
http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engine
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