Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:26:26 -0400
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: [Nearly Off-Topic] Seeking Battery Switch
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Just not needed. The alternator and any charger inherently will block back
feed. I routinely run the engine and generator powered 100A/H charger in the
motorhome simultaneously. My charger is smart enough to know the battery has
a load connected so it goes to constant voltage ~14.2. The original engine
alternator was set at 13.8 and would drop to 13.6 once things got warm.
During non-use the charger will go to 14.5-14.8 volts to complete the charge
cycle which also tests the interior propane alarm. Many small
indicator/decorator lamps left on burn out from this.
Dennis
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neil n
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nearly Off-Topic] Seeking Battery Switch
I know what you mean. I eyeballed a charger just like that yesterday that
was designed to reduce or stop charging when it saw battery as charged and
would switch on/off as needed. But what that threshold voltage spec is, < ?
>
Thinking now, thought maybe an 87-87a relay could be used but either way I
look at it, the charger and alternator both share a common + connection.
i.e.
alternator "off", charger + --> 30 --> 87a --> aux. battery
alternator "on" blue wire carries + to relay coil, switches relay to
vehicle B+ --> 30 --> 87 --> starter batter --> aux. battery
If it were me, I'd go with my original thought but use an 87-87a relay on +
wire of the charger. Have it activated by the alternator blue wire. When
powered on, it breaks circuit of charger to aux. battery.
Neil.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Rocket J Squirrel <
camping.elliott@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a little "smart charger" in the van which trickles the house
> battery when I connect the side inlet to household AC power. But I
> unplug the extension cord before starting the van, and turn off the
> van before plugging in the extension cord.
>
> But there have been a couple times when I've accidentally fired up the
> van with the extension cord connected and Nothing Bad happened, but I
> think that's going to be a function of your AC-powered charger. My
> guess is that with the alternator applying power to the battery, the
> charger will look at that and say, "Uh, I dunno," but not blow up or
anything.
>
>
> --
> Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott
> 1984 Westfalia, auto trans,
> Bend, Ore.
>
> On 09/20/2012 01:37 PM, neil n wrote:
>
>> I hate to ask this in the midst of truly electrically qualified
>> people but.....
>>
>> When van running, you're off shore power? IF so, alternator does it's
>> job, charger not connected.
>>
>> When van not running, you're ready to connect to shore power.
>>
>> Or is there concern that the van might be running while charger still
>> on. IF so....
>>
>> Maybe install a relay between DC charger output and house DC system.
>> Have it trigger via alternator blue wire. Or is there too much lag time?
>>
>> Neil.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Rocket J Squirrel
>> <camping.elliott@gmail.com
>> <mailto:camping.elliott@gmail.**com<camping.elliott@gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking at rewiring my house battery charging system.
>>
>> I want to be able to switch between charging the battery from the
>> alternator ..... and charging off my
>> 3-stage DC > DC deep cycle charger
>>
>>
>>
>> To do this, I'm looking for a manual 3-position battery switch. I've
>> already looked at West Marine's offerings and I can find either
>> two-position (off/on) switches, or four-position (off/1/2/1+2)
>> switches.
>> The latter could be used but it's dangerous as the 1+2 position would
>> connect the DC > DC charger's output to its input, resulting in a
>> collision of universes and possible smoke.
>>
>> Two off/on switches could be used, but again, it would be possible to
>> accidentally turn them both on, resulting in that collision of
>> universes
>> thing.
>>
>> Anyone know of a three position (1/2/off) battery switch?
>>
>> --
>> Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott
>> 1984 Westfalia, auto trans,
>> Bend, Ore.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Neil n
>>
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>>
>> '88 Slate Blue Westy to be named.
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
--
Neil n
65 kb image Myford Ready For Assembly http://tinyurl.com/64sx4rp
'88 Slate Blue Westy to be named.
'81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco" http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/
Vanagon VAG Gas I4/VR Swap Google Group:
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