Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:32:53 -0500
Reply-To: Mike B <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
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From: Mike B <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: Fire!
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I work in fire suppression for a living, and know the benefits and
drawbacks of Halon 1211. I carry Halon extinguishers both in my vehicle
and in my garage. It IS magic and leaves NO residue. ABC dry-chem will
ruin an engine if ingested while running. Not so with Halon. Halon
likes a closed area to 'soak' better before the environment disperses it
away. The new clean agents work as well, but require more agent to do
the same job. It's like R-12 vs. R134, same thing, but not really. The
original used less and did a better job, but the replacement does work.
One danger of Halon is that if it's exposed to temps in excess of 1000
degrees F, it combusts and turns into a nasty, killing gas. The glowing
cherry cinder on the end of a cigarette is enough to heat Halon or
refrigerant to create this deadly byproduct, so one inhale will kill the
guy smoking in the gas vapor. Really hot fires (melting metal) will
get this hot, so put it out earlier, not later.
Mike B.
On 12/16/2012 10:51 PM, Harold Teer wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Last year, I purchased a "Halotron Amerex fire extinguisher" for our van
> from an ebay seller after searching to no avail for a Halon type. If I
> understand correctly, Halotron is the current best affordable Halon
> replacement.
>
> Product description:
> "This Halotron 1 Fire Extinguisher is the perfect alternative to
> ozone-depleting Halon 1211 for effective fire control that is EPA approved.
> This extinguisher discharges a rapidly evaporating liquid
> (HydroChloroFluoroCarbon) that leaves no residue. The liquid extinguishes
> Class C fires without conducting electricity back to the operator. It also
> provides good visibility during discharge without the risk of thermal or
> static shock to sensitive electrical equipment. Recommended for use in
> computer rooms, cleanrooms, data storage areas, vehicles, laboratories and
> more. Compliance: EPA approved “Clean Agent.” ANSI/UL listed."
>
> Harold
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dick,
>> Halon is 'magic'. Not sure you can get it anymore..
>> 20 + years ago I saw some small ones for sale for about $ 22 each ..
>> got 3 of them.
>> I had a real case to use one, during some fuel injector testing , with
>> 'live' gasoline.
>
>
>
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