Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:21:52 -0500
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Was E15 fuel, now Snake Oil-Cascade in the coolant!
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OK so we make sure we do not antifreeze with phosphates or silicates because
they are bad. In reality the only problem with them is the abrasive action
on water pump seals and the innards of radiators and heater cores along with
the possibility of these nasty's precipitating out. Somehow using
dishwashing detergent as a coolant system additive doesn't seem like a wise
choice.
If you really believe in the "Water Wetter" concept, (I do), just use any of
the Diesel designed antifreezes. These are designed to work extremely well
in sleeve engines. One of my favorites is the "Fleet Final Charge". The down
side of these super coolants is that if there is any chance of a leak, it
will. The lack of surface tension reduces any self-stop leak capabilities.
Dennis
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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Tom Hargrave
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:50 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Was E15 fuel, now Snake Oil
I mistrust any product that claims to solve a long list of mechanical issues
and Marvel Mystery Oil is one of these products.
Actually, there are only a few additives I do trust:
Dry gas (methanol) to remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks, probably
not needed now.
Any one of the oil thickeners, but only to push a few more miles out of a
tired engine.
WD-40, but only to be used as intended - WD-40 is not a lubricant!
Gas additives with Chevron's Techroline - nothing else is proven to work.
Conklin Dyke Stop Leak to temporarily stop a cooling system leak - only
because I know first-hand that this product actually works.
Water Wetter, but I discovered a half teaspoon of Cascade works as well.
Also, all DO3 brake fluid should be replaced with Dot4 brake fluid.
For everything else that does work, regular service is a much better &
cheaper solution!
Thanks, Tom Hargrave
www.stir-plate.com
www.towercooler.com
www.kegkits.com
www.grow-sun.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of
Scott Daniel - Turbovans
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 11:30 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: E15 fuel?
I figured you would say that.
I run 'alternative' fuel tanks on vehicles all the time.
you could wear the other tank in a pack on your back !
just joking..
I am familiar with motorcycles ..I assume an opposed air-cooled BMW twin,
carb on each cylinder.
I don't find gasoline to be that dangerous or scary ..
have to really respect it of course. and be smartabout it.
youcould weigh those parts on a very fine scale and see if they decrease in
weight over time.
what do you think of the marvil mystery oil idea, in the fuel?
I'd sure try that.
that's what it is designed for.
On 12/26/2012 9:01 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:
> I understand what you are saying but it would be dangerous to run both
> carbs off separate fuel sources. The carbs plug into each side of the
> same gas tank and I have no way to separate them for 5K miles without
> strapping a gas can on top of the tank for 1/3 of a year.
>
>
>
> The scary part of this is the brass carb parts - the needle valve &
> atomizer
> - look brighter than I remember.
>
>
>
> Sure looks like active corrosion to me!
>
>
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
>
> www.stir-plate.com
>
> www.towercooler.com
>
> www.kegkits.com
>
> www.grow-sun.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans [mailto:scottdaniel@turbovans.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:48 PM
> To: Tom Hargrave
> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: E15 fuel?
>
>
>
> Run some WD-40 in your fuel.
> I buy mine by the gallon can.
> Seriously ..
> I would try that.
> or some fuel addtive..
> for example, it says right on the bottle of Marvil Mystery Oil..
> 'fuel system lubricant' .. 'add to gas or oil.'
> I would expect a little anti-corrosion from adding an oil like that to
> yer gas.
>
> if you have two carbs....run one they way you have been, the other on
> a separate fuel supply source with either of those two juices above ..
> and check results and difference after say ...5K miles. If you want to
> experiment and research .
>
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
>
>
> On 12/26/2012 8:25 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:
>
> There is a huge difference between pouring a pint of methanol into a
> 20 gallon tank of gas and pouring 3 gallons into a 20 gallon tank!
>
> And for the record, old BMW motorcycles is one of my hobbies and I've
> seen a white residue in the bottom of the mostly aluminum Bing
> carburetors that I never saw before gas contained 10% alcohol. And if
> someone can convince me that this is not the result of corrosion he'd
> make
me a happy man!
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
> www.stir-plate.com
> www.towercooler.com
> www.kegkits.com
> www.grow-sun.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> Behalf Of JRodgers
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:49 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: E15 fuel?
>
> In Alaska it was - and still is I would guess - common practice to add
> a bottle of alcohol like HEET or some other brand - to the gas tank on
> fill up in winter to keep ice and water out. Alcohol absorbs the water
> and prevents it from freezing into crystals or a solid which
> interferes
with fuel flow.
> Just how much alcohol is acceptable I don't know, but Alaskans have
> been running with alcohol in the fuel for a very long time. I don't
> know how it compares with car engines, but I used to run model engines
> on an alcohol/castor oil mix with just a hint of benzine and never had
> any problems. Those little engines would just run forever on the stuff.
>
> John
>
> On 12/26/2012 9:22 AM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
>
> I read that "[...] the Environmental Protection Agency has approved a
> new policy that will allow states to raise the blend to up to 15
> percent ethanol (also known as E15), approved for use for cars and
> light trucks from the model year 2001 and later."
>
> There is concern that some older vehicles may be unhappy with the blend.
>
>
> <http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/8mfbvPh1hvQ/story01.h
> tm>
> <http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/8mfbvPh1hvQ/story01.h
> tm
> <http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/8mfbvPh1hvQ/story01.h
> tm> Anyone have any idea whatsoever what running E15 might do for our
> engines?
>
>
> --
> Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott
> 1984 Westfalia, auto trans,
> Bend, Ore.
>
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