Date:         Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:18:26 -0800
Reply-To:     Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO - LT195/75R14/D tires - first
              impressions
In-Reply-To:  <2A099017F43245EE8D7E368CA5BE4902@Hundt>
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California requires you to chain up on cloudy days!    Kidding,
Kidding...though they are very conservative with their highways and snow
driving....    I was never, in over 25yrs of residency in Wyoming, told to
chain up by any highway patrolman..and I always drove a 2wd pickup,
even...or an aircooled bus.....Maybe they are more proactive on interstate
80 with making drivers chain up, but the chains don't help if you can see a
foot in front of your car, which is what normally closes the roads in
Wyoming....White-out!

    They sometimes close the roads completely in the NW when black ice is
the surface....I've encountered some of the very worst conditions driving
there.....Seattle is particularly amusing after an ice storm.....vehicles
sliding willy-nilly everywhere....and still people try to drive around....

   It IS illegal to drive on some tires there....studded tires after a
certain date....

   What has this to do with Vanagons?.....Mine will work just OK on Nokians
if I keep a couple of hundred lbs over the engine.....It won't go uphill in
reverse....and driving the van in slippery conditions is exciting...Sitting
as you do almost ahead of the front wheels, without much out front, you
have to tune in to your body to 'feel' when you are crossed-up and sliding
the rear end...but it does recover much better than most rear engined
vehicles....

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Don Hundt <donhundt@gmail.com> wrote:

> Apparently, it is just that size that doesn't bear the snowflake label. I
> have had the BFG's in many sizes on many vehicles, they all had the
> snowflake labels. I'd be willing to bet that if a state trooper in Oregon
> saw that you were running that tire he wouldn't kneel down in the snow to
> look for a little black snowflake label on your tire. YMMV
>
> Even if you have snow tires, the state of Oregon requires you to carry tire
> chains if you are driving over mountain passes.
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO - LT195/75R14/D tires - first
> impressions
>
>
>  ---- Rob <vwrobb@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>>> At  1/8/2013 08:58 AM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
>>> >-But I still don't know if the BFG tire in 195/75-14 is approved for
>>> >winter.  Even if siped, which would be considered a modification,
>>> >that would not alter the legal situation.  mcneely
>>>
>>>
>>> Legal?  You mean it's against the law to use THAT tire where you are
>>> between 21 Dec and 21 March?
>>> Please tell me where this is so I can avoid the area!
>>>
>>
>>  McNeely
>