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Date:         Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:12:38 -0400
Reply-To:     Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Calif. Smog Fail and Catalytic Converter
Comments: To: Steve Williams <sbw@SBW.ORG>
In-Reply-To:  <201303171532.r2HFWUE57542@sbw.org>
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When VW designed the Waterboxer the went to great pains to make it NOx compliant and -pre-ignition resistant. The is why the concave piston, low compression, retarded ignition timing curve, etc. There are reasons they simply didn't go with the in line engines even though the Diesel was already fitted. In the Automotive world many car engines get de-tuned when placed in truck or van applications. For example in 99 I bought a 34 ft. RV with the Ford Triton V-10. It was rated 275 HP. The same engine in a regular van for that year was 325 HP. This is the reason that approved late model engine upgrades need to consider matching the engine type with the type of vehicle originally designed for.

One of the problems with pre-ignition, (ping) is that it begins to happen long before you can hear it, especially in the Water Boxer. The future problems will be burned valves and pistons and in real bad cases rod bearings and bent rods.

Check the ignition timing, make sure it is set to factory specs, maybe even retard a few more degrees. What spark plugs are you using? The platinum types are bit more ping resistant as they do not have the protruding metal center electrode. Consider additional oil cooling. Keeping the pistons cooler may help. Coolant? Some of the newer Diesel formulations or using "Water Wetter" may help. Of course use premium fuel.

Dennis

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Steve Williams Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:32 AM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Calif. Smog Fail and Catalytic Converter

Thanks, very interesting.

At 11:18 PM 3/16/2013, Dennis Haynes wrote: >... the Cat and O2 sensor failing together is usually due to a common cause.

Just to clarify, I don't know whether mine failed together. My O2 sensor failed two years ago, right after passing smog. It's possible the cat failed then, or anytime since.

>There was a deflector shield that I bet is missing.

Is that something I can look for? Photo?

>Since you have a modified engine there is probably increased >compression and you may also have the ignition timing over advanced.

That could be. I have noticed what I think is some pinging in high gear at full throttle going up a modest hill. That went away when Van Cafe tuned the engine six months ago, but now it has returned, so I must reduce throttle or gear down to prevent it. I don't know what might change the advance over time, but it may be time to adjust it again.


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