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Date:         Fri, 19 Apr 2013 20:24:44 -0400
Reply-To:     David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From:         David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: FRIDAY diesel conversion option
Comments: To: Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
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At 05:21 PM 4/19/2013, Jim Felder wrote: >http://www.vincelewis.net/bigengine.html

Some of his numbers are a bit off, partly because this engine can be built with varying numbers (6-14) of cylinders. Here are numbers for the largest one, the 14-cylinder:

>Maximum power: 108,920 hp at 102 rpm > >Maximum torque: 5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm > >Fuel consumption at maximum power is 0.278 lbs per hp per hour >(Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) . Fuel consumption at maximum >economy is 0.260 lbs/hp/hour. At maximum economy the engine exceeds >50% thermal efficiency. That is, more than 50% of the energy in the >fuel in converted to motion. > >For comparison, most automotive and small aircraft engines have BSFC >figures in the 0.40-0.60 lbs/hp/hr range and 25-30% thermal efficiency range. > >Even at its most efficient power setting, the big 14 consumes 1,660 >gallons of heavy fuel oil per hour.

(note that the max efficiency setting is about ten rpm down from max and delivers a bit over half power. Economy aside, the engine could not be run for long periods at max power without compromising its lifetime severely. Max continuous *might* be around 80% of full power.)

These engines have computer-operated injection and exhaust valves (I believe they use ports for intake). I think they can operate down to 0.7 rpm, giving an enormously wider operating range than conventional diesels.

I believe that ships powered by those big Wartzila-Sulzer and Man B&W engines took over from the bicycle as the most energy-efficient form of transport on earth short of (bipedal) walking. It's possible they beat walking as well, can't remember.

If you think a Vanagon is a slug...these folks <http://www.portrevel.com/>http://www.portrevel.com/ have a shiphandling school in Grenoble, France, originally owned by Exxon in the late '60s. It features 1/25 scale model ships that you climb into and operate. One of their fleet is a model LNG tanker. It displaces about 23,000 pounds and carries a 2/3 hp motor for propulsion. This is the same order of magnitude as the weight-to-power ratio of the ships that carry these truly enormous engines.

Vanagon 2.1l - 2.6 tons max weight, 95 hp, 36 hp per ton.

Real tanker - 180,000 tons max displacement, 52,000 hp, 0.288 hp per ton. A Vanagon with equivalent power would have 3/4 hp. Tanker model - 11.52 tons, 0.66 hp, 0.057 hp per ton. Weight and power are adjusted to the fixed physical scale in order to compress low-speed maneuvering times by a factor of five compared to the actual vessel. This trains skippers to keep their wits about them, so they are relaxed during maneuvers on a real ship.

Real enormous containership - 135,000 tons max displacement, 93,000 hp, 0.689 hp per ton. Vanagon equivalent would have 1.8 hp. These containerships are fast and have lots (!) of power for their size. Containership model - 8.64 tons, 1.19 hp, 0.138 hp per ton.

It's the ability to build and support enormous structures in water, and the total lack of hills, that allows these things. The bigger you build them, the less material they need to enclose a given volume of space, and the less power they need proportionally to drive them through the water at a given speed or punch through the wind. But acceleration is derisory, and stopping and turning distances are given in miles. The result is extraordinarily cheap shipping in bulk or in container lots - and big consequences in an accident.

Yours, David


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