Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 09:18:25 -0700
Reply-To: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: 2.0L I4 Opportunities
In-Reply-To: <5193A3E0.8020503@cox.net>
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Right, making a 50deg oil pan at home....that would be a chore...didn't
think of that..Find a used diesel one.
I suppose, talking "ABA", that installing at 15 degrees could be
'better' since the intake won't fit under the deck lid at 50deg, so you
have to fab something inside the van anyhow....you can skip messing with
the driver's side of the under-deck structure with the 15 dg. ABA mounting..
Swapping motors is not "easy"...I didn't mean to try to say that...
What is true is that swapping an inline 1.8 gas VW motor into a Vanagon
using the diesel parts is probably about as easy an engine conversion as
you could ever find and it gives a pretty satisfactory result. That
conversion can be done at an outstanding cost and labor saving over most of
the other available conversion options.
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:04 AM, mark drillock <mdrillock@cox.net> wrote:
> The diesel carrier bars are not the only parts to copy. There is also
> the diesel oil pan and the aluminum mounts that bolt to the block. You
> are grossly underestimating the difficulties involved in someone making
> his own 50 degree setup work. Very few people can fabricate all the
> things to duplicate the stock diesel stuff. The 15 degree setup is much
> simpler for the guy at home build as it just needs a custom carrier bar.
> Of course a 15 degree adapter plate and flywheel are also required, like
> from KEP. You can order that with both 15 and 50 degree holes and change
> later to the other angle should you care to.
>
> Even using stock diesel Vanagon pieces people who convert to inline 4
> engines often take weeks and months to finish it the first time they
> try. If they also get the full exhaust from the diesel van they can save
> some time and give up some performance.
>
> The reason people mount the true ABA at 15 degrees is because it fits
> better that way in a Vanagon. To make a "pseudo ABA" work ok at 50
> degrees involves mixing major parts from other VW inline engines such as
> you have. I think a custom intake manifold would simplify things greatly
> for a proper ABA install such as what FAS has done. I would like one of
> those.
>
> Mark
>
> Don Hanson wrote:
>
>>
>> I would think, even if a person couldn't actually find and buy real VW
>> factory used diesel parts to install an inline in the standard way, it
>> would be much much easier to just copy the factory stuff from another van
>> or something. The bars are pretty dang simple and the mounts are still
>> available and not expensive.
>>
>> Going at it this way, it's likely that most anyone who could change
>> out
>> a WBX motor could also do the swap to an inline gas VW (1.8liter) without
>> learning new skills or becoming frustrated and giving up.
>>
>
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