Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:49:35 -0700
Reply-To: Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@Q.COM>
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From: Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@Q.COM>
Subject: Re: AC Question
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Supposed to be 112 tomorrow, and somebody's predicting 117 next week. Under these conditions, if you're driving less than ten miles, closing the windows and running AC in a Westy ain't worth it. After a while, the structures surrounding you start to lose some of their heat, and within twenty minutes or so, you no longer feel waves of heat radiating from every surface in the van. That's when AC starts to make a difference here in Phx.
Karl Wolz
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On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> If the air is reasonably cool and is moving it will cool the interior. I've heard that window tint makes a huge difference but have no experience with that. Might take a little while starting off on a really hot day, but I've been comfy heading west in late afternoon past a bank thermometer that read 103F. That was a hot night camping, but the drive was great.
> As far as front A/C goes, there's been discussion of that also but I'd bet you can get yours working as well or better for much less money and hassle. Incidentally, there is an aircooled Westy with complete front A/C in a junkyard near me here in central VA, or was there last visit.
> Stephen
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> --- On Tue, 6/11/13, Todd Last <rubatoguy@comcast.net> wrote:
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> From: Todd Last <rubatoguy@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: AC Question
> To: "Stephen Grisanti" <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM>
> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 7:09 PM
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> #yiv402988875 p {margin:0;}Are there any similar mods that can be done if you have a Westy without Plenum? The problem I always found was that the heat coming from the winshield always made you feel like the A/C was not working. It seems that the issue is more a problem of airflow than cooling capacity.
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> Did anyone ever try the add-on front A/C that was talked about years ago as a supliument to the existing system?
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> Todd
> '88 Westy
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> From: "Stephen Grisanti" <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:02:05 PM
> Subject: Re: AC Question
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> I did the cheapo R134a FLAPS conversion on my '87 Westy after I got a two grand quote from a "reputable" shop on fixing the complete-but-blowing-hot A/C when I bought the van. It needs a recharge once a year but is quite comfy when working right.
> Also, I was one of the first to remove the A/C plenum in the back to improve airflow. Search "plenumectomy" on thesamba.com. What actually happened was, I removed the Westy interior for soundproofing and rust proofing and when I put it back together I left the plenum off. Felt like it was blowing much more air forward than it had before so I left it off. No complaints, except for the rather unfinished look of that area now but that look is worth the improvement.
> That Samba thread even has contributions by one owner who went so far as to do numerous measurements of airflow and temp for his/her van with and without the plenum. That was a lot of work to prove a point.
> Stephen
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> --- On Tue, 6/11/13, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET> wrote:
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> From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
> Subject: Re: AC Question
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 6:46 PM
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> ---- Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@Q.COM> wrote:
>> My understanding, for what it's worth: R134a doesn't work nearly as well as R12 in an unmodified R12 system. Mods can run into some serious change. R134a will work, as your guy says; just not as well as what you have.
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>> Smarter listmembers than I may now comment ;-).
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> Well, I'm certainly neither smarter nor more expert, but ..........
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> My understanding is that the Vanagon evaporator and condenser are so large, that the difference in cooling power is minimal with the two fluids. But, the Vanagon air movement system, and the giant box it is trying to cool obviate all that. My system works as well as it can, and I have had a changeover to R134a. However, to be cool, I have to have the cold air (and it is quite cold, once measured it but can't remember, though the air conditioning guy said it was colder than expected) blowing on me. And since it blows from the rear, some distance, we try to train all vents our way.
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> I have read of removing the air plenum above the seat for better air flow. I have saved instructions, will try to find if anyone wants them.
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> mcneely
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>> Karl Wolz
>> Sent from my electronic umbilicus
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>> On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Jim Ogul <jimogul70@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>>> My AC doesnt put out cold air on my 85 Westy. It was that way when I
>>> bought it. It has R12 in it. A local shop tells me that what they do is
>>> evacuate the system and put in R134 and if the system is ok it will work.
>>> I had always heard you have to get into the system and modify it for R134.
>>> This local shop has a lot of experience and if its that simple I'd rather
>>> go that way.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> 85 Westy
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> David McNeely
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