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Date:         Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:30:54 -0500
Reply-To:     mcneely4@COX.NET
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Subject:      Re: cooperative Westy ownership?
Comments: To: Mark Hersh <cmwolfsburg@GMAIL.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <CAKT-6MvRKoV1JN_oKMPJaUc9E3EM2ejAFH=91huNMS8a94KJBw@mail.gmail.com>
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---- Mark Hersh <cmwolfsburg@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. Just to clarify: I'm not considering going in > to this group -- I have a Westy already, with plenty of sweat and $ poured > into it. > > But there are lots of good points here for my neighbor to consider. > > Mark > > PS Was a Henry J named after Henry J Kaiser?

Yes. He was the chief executive of the company that built the ill fated vehicle. It sold so poorly, that the company even enlisted Sears as a dealer, but Sears insisted on attaching its own name, Allstate, to the vehicle. My brother had one under that name, too. They were in some way involved with Wyllis I believe. My father had one of those. There were Wyllis vehicles other than Jeeps.

>I know I could wiki it but > the name just poppped into my head.... My only knowledge of the car comes > from the section in my dad's 1954 Motors repair manual. > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:42 AM, forum email <nij.forum@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Question 1) how well do you know the people in the group? > > Eventually something will go wrong in the dynamic and then its potential > > for being a mess is very high. > > > > 2) how many people in the co-op? > > Most people do NOT want to camp outside the good months so you need to set > > up a timeshare thing where weeks are allocated in advance, the most > > desirable weeks have a higher cost. If you lived in Roanoke VA everyone > > would probably want the Natural Bus weekend. > > > > 3) Will all in the co-op understand what it takes to drive a 25-35 year old > > vehicle? > > You would need to decide in advance if its a co-op then any repairs are the > > groups responsibility, not just the driver at that moment. > > > > 4)insurance? > > Good luck finding a policy to cover this. If its titled by one person and > > they hold they hold the insurance, who ends up with the liability if > > something really bad happens. > > > > I could spend hours and pages listing the Pros and the Cons. They are some > > wonderful advantages to sharing, but they are also some huge drawbacks as > > well. > > > > In the end it comes down to you? > > > > Nij > > On Jun 17, 2013 9:02 AM, "kenneth wilford (Van-Again)" < > > kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > I would not do this. My sister had a Westy rental business for a couple > > of > > > summers and really what we found out is that you have to be really picky > > > who you rent to. The person needs to have common sense and also treat > > the > > > vehicle with a small modicum of care (like pulling over when belts break > > or > > > lights are flashing). We had customers abandon vans as far away as Maine > > > (from NJ) and then demand free rentals, etc. all because they had lights > > > flashing, strange noises, and refused to stop and check them out. When > > > people rent or borrow a vehicle it is not the same level or ownership > > pride > > > or care that you have some a person who has a lot of time, effort and > > money > > > invested in something. Instead they have more of a "I can do anything I > > > want because I paid money." attitude which isn't helpful in keeping a > > > Vanagon alive and well. > > > > > > Just my opinion, > > > Ken Wilford > > > John 3:16 > > > www.vanagain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Mark Hersh <cmwolfsburg@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > So at a neighborhood BBQ tonight, someone (a neighbor that admires our > > > > camper) came up to meand said they were thinking of trying to get > > > together > > > > a small "cooperative" with the purpose of joint ownership of a camper. > > > > Figuring that they would all pay in for maintenance, cleaning, etc., > > and > > > > knowing they would have to come up with some reasonably democratic and > > > fair > > > > way to allocate time slots. > > > > > > > > Seemed like a reasonable enough idea to me to volunteer to put it out > > to > > > > the group (because I'm not about to volunteer my camper!). > > > > > > > > Anyone have any experience with such a thing, or know of such a thing? > > > A > > > > Google search came up with a couple interesting leads, but I thought > > I'd > > > > ask the collective Vanagon brain trust. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > > > 86 Campmobile Six-Seater "Monty" > > > > > > > > Black dogs are euthanized at a greater rate than other-colored dogs, > > > > regardless of temperament. Learn about Black Dog Syndrome at > > > > http://www.blackpearldogs.com/ Learn about black dogs in a Vanagon at > > > > http://www.pbase.com/mhersh/image/108220533 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Thanks, > > > Ken Wilford > > > John 3:16 > > > www.vanagain.com > > > > > > > > > -- > 86 Campmobile Six-Seater "Monty" > > Black dogs are euthanized at a greater rate than other-colored dogs, > regardless of temperament. Learn about Black Dog Syndrome at > http://www.blackpearldogs.com/ Learn about black dogs in a Vanagon at > http://www.pbase.com/mhersh/image/108220533

-- David McNeely


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