Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 21:56:09 -0500
Reply-To: JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
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From: JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: cooperative Westy ownership?
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The Henry J was my high school buddy's first car. His did got it for him
-used - and I seem to recall it had a Willis engine in the thing. Ran
good. Did well, but he traded for a 47 chevy with lots more room - and
power - if there was such a thing in a 47 Chevy.
John
On 6/17/2013 6:30 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
> ---- Mark Hersh <cmwolfsburg@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> Thanks for all the replies. Just to clarify: I'm not considering going in
>> to this group -- I have a Westy already, with plenty of sweat and $ poured
>> into it.
>>
>> But there are lots of good points here for my neighbor to consider.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> PS Was a Henry J named after Henry J Kaiser?
>
>
> Yes. He was the chief executive of the company that built the ill fated vehicle. It sold so poorly, that the company even enlisted Sears as a dealer, but Sears insisted on attaching its own name, Allstate, to the vehicle. My brother had one under that name, too.
> They were in some way involved with Wyllis I believe. My father had one of those. There were Wyllis vehicles other than Jeeps.
>
>> I know I could wiki it but
>> the name just poppped into my head.... My only knowledge of the car comes
>> from the section in my dad's 1954 Motors repair manual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:42 AM, forum email <nij.forum@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Question 1) how well do you know the people in the group?
>>> Eventually something will go wrong in the dynamic and then its potential
>>> for being a mess is very high.
>>>
>>> 2) how many people in the co-op?
>>> Most people do NOT want to camp outside the good months so you need to set
>>> up a timeshare thing where weeks are allocated in advance, the most
>>> desirable weeks have a higher cost. If you lived in Roanoke VA everyone
>>> would probably want the Natural Bus weekend.
>>>
>>> 3) Will all in the co-op understand what it takes to drive a 25-35 year old
>>> vehicle?
>>> You would need to decide in advance if its a co-op then any repairs are the
>>> groups responsibility, not just the driver at that moment.
>>>
>>> 4)insurance?
>>> Good luck finding a policy to cover this. If its titled by one person and
>>> they hold they hold the insurance, who ends up with the liability if
>>> something really bad happens.
>>>
>>> I could spend hours and pages listing the Pros and the Cons. They are some
>>> wonderful advantages to sharing, but they are also some huge drawbacks as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> In the end it comes down to you?
>>>
>>> Nij
>>> On Jun 17, 2013 9:02 AM, "kenneth wilford (Van-Again)" <
>>> kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would not do this. My sister had a Westy rental business for a couple
>>> of
>>>> summers and really what we found out is that you have to be really picky
>>>> who you rent to. The person needs to have common sense and also treat
>>> the
>>>> vehicle with a small modicum of care (like pulling over when belts break
>>> or
>>>> lights are flashing). We had customers abandon vans as far away as Maine
>>>> (from NJ) and then demand free rentals, etc. all because they had lights
>>>> flashing, strange noises, and refused to stop and check them out. When
>>>> people rent or borrow a vehicle it is not the same level or ownership
>>> pride
>>>> or care that you have some a person who has a lot of time, effort and
>>> money
>>>> invested in something. Instead they have more of a "I can do anything I
>>>> want because I paid money." attitude which isn't helpful in keeping a
>>>> Vanagon alive and well.
>>>>
>>>> Just my opinion,
>>>> Ken Wilford
>>>> John 3:16
>>>> www.vanagain.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Mark Hersh <cmwolfsburg@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So at a neighborhood BBQ tonight, someone (a neighbor that admires our
>>>>> camper) came up to meand said they were thinking of trying to get
>>>> together
>>>>> a small "cooperative" with the purpose of joint ownership of a camper.
>>>>> Figuring that they would all pay in for maintenance, cleaning, etc.,
>>> and
>>>>> knowing they would have to come up with some reasonably democratic and
>>>> fair
>>>>> way to allocate time slots.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seemed like a reasonable enough idea to me to volunteer to put it out
>>> to
>>>>> the group (because I'm not about to volunteer my camper!).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have any experience with such a thing, or know of such a thing?
>>>> A
>>>>> Google search came up with a couple interesting leads, but I thought
>>> I'd
>>>>> ask the collective Vanagon brain trust.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 86 Campmobile Six-Seater "Monty"
>>>>>
>>>>> Black dogs are euthanized at a greater rate than other-colored dogs,
>>>>> regardless of temperament. Learn about Black Dog Syndrome at
>>>>> http://www.blackpearldogs.com/ Learn about black dogs in a Vanagon at
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/mhersh/image/108220533
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ken Wilford
>>>> John 3:16
>>>> www.vanagain.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 86 Campmobile Six-Seater "Monty"
>>
>> Black dogs are euthanized at a greater rate than other-colored dogs,
>> regardless of temperament. Learn about Black Dog Syndrome at
>> http://www.blackpearldogs.com/ Learn about black dogs in a Vanagon at
>> http://www.pbase.com/mhersh/image/108220533
>
> --
> David McNeely
>
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