Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 07:54:45 -0500
Reply-To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
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From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
Subject: Re: Redline Water Wetter
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The 20% reduction in temperature isn't from adding water wetter, it's from
running pure water. Water by itself does a better job of moving heat than
water + ethylene glycol. Also, in a properly working cooling system the 20%
reduction at the radiator has no effect inside the motor because your engine
coolant temperature is being managed by your thermostat. In other words
you've had no effect on your internal working temperature. You are far
better off running a proper antifreeze mix and keeping your cooling system
properly maintained.
But water wetter added to a proper antifreeze mix will have an effect on the
temperature of your head because it increases the heat transfer
effectiveness between the internal metal parts of your engine & coolant. The
effect is only about 2%.
Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of
Don Hanson
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 7:42 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Redline Water Wetter
I recently put this product into my sportbike's cooling system. The
bike has a very accurate and reactive temperature LED readout. This bike,
a four cylinder 600 cc Honda four makes about the same HP as a Vanagon, but
of course, has less torque at just 46ft/lbs..(doesn't need torque at just
370lbs wet weight and a 14,500 rpm redline) still, enough power to push it
along to ~160mph.. at the track, of course.
These bikes run pretty hot, especially when ridden slowly in traffic.
They routinely run up to 230f..the cooling fan comes on at 217f. At highway
speeds they run at 180f, but just a mile or two in town will take the
temperature right up and the fan will come on, holding the readout at about
220-230f....a little too hot, in my opinion.
So recently, before a track day at Oregon Raceway Park, I drained most of
the coolant (ethylene glycol antifreeze, when spilled on the racing
surface, makes for very poor traction and dangerous conditions, hard to
clean off, too) and replaced it with distilled water and Red Line Water
Wetter...I didn't flush the system, which leaves a little anti-freeze in
there to help lubricate things) Now, even in our recent triple digit
temperatures, my bike still runs at 180f on the highway but in town it
rarely goes above 212f and I haven't felt the fan come on in three sprirted
street rides....It did come on at the track after a session going flat out,
but only as I ran slowly into the paddock. I also used this product in my
race car with similar results to the coolant temperature...
My own Vanagon's inline VW motor doesn't run particularly hot but I see
some posts from people who're concerned about their vanagon's coolant temps.
This product works, just about how it says on the bottles....a slight
reduction in operating temperatures if you just add it to your normal
antifreeze mix and up to 20% cooler if you reduce the anti-freeze/water
ratio down and add the W.W. as directed.
I had three full racing seasons on my water cooled Porsche race car motor
and the coolant system looked perfect. One thing that is important is to
remember every fall that you have NO ANTIFREEZE! with Water Wetter. Don't
ask how I know this.
Don Hanson
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