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Date:         Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:30:22 -0400
Reply-To:     Jason Ellsmere <j@BEAUS.CA>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jason Ellsmere <j@BEAUS.CA>
Subject:      Re: Is there anyone under 60 on this list???? WAS:Wife is done
              with Vanagon a...
Comments: To: Scott Ohana <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <51DF4A65.1000706@turbovans.com>
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I bet you would of heard the same rant 30 years ago from a split window bus driving 60 year old when asked about the new (too modern) Vanagon and the current generation of lazy kids and their TV's.

Jason Toronto

On 2013-07-11, at 8:14 PM, Scott Ohana <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:

> I do think there is a large shift away from the traditional VW ( or > first car of any type )owner of yore that just tinkered with stuff, > figured out how it works....came up with inexpensive repairs etc... > a swing away from that. > Even to the point of post-comuter generation people without a > background in mechanically tinkering and general car savvy now owning > vanagons. > Which if ever there was a vehicle that could benefit from plane ol > mechanical and car savvy by the owners .. > Vanagons are sure that. > And I know people that can't tell if the head lights are aimed very > well, can't figure out the stock jack .. > don't know that click-click-click real fast for turn signals on one > side means a bulb is not flashing on that side. > And I would think that most of use that grew up tinkering figured that > out in about the first 2 months of owning our first car. > Sure doesn't take a lot of brain-power to figure that out.. > yet that is a too typical example of how very untuned in with car things > many car-driving people are these days. > > lots and lots of that. > so that could be a factor in vanagons declining ...they are > pre-computer, pre 'everything made cheaply out of plastic' vehicles. > The modern world may have trouble relating to a thing from yesterday's > pre-computer world. > And computers and iphones most definitely, in my opion and perception.. > consipire towards people thinking less for themselves. LOTS less . > > so that's what could do in vanagons ..... IMO ..is the lack of plain > fix-it savvy in the culture. ..the ever increasing decline in > figure-stuff-out-myself ..It's too easy for people to rush to the > iphone, then ask a question without enough info with it to be answered > intelligently. > .......than it is either to just plane LOOK at the thing and see how it > works ..or to ask a question with enough info for the question to be > answered . > > there is a creeping stupidification going on ..in the entire culture. > That's what could do vanagons in. Nothing about the vehicles > themselves, or even about parts for them. > by 2030 most people won't be steering their own cars. > They have already identified......that as soon as self-driving cars come > along ( already with some of those abilities coming out in 2014 ) that > driving skills will be lost.. > or I should say ......further lost. > The creeping studpidification of culture....started with the > popular adaptation of the computer..and iphones boosted it to a whole > new lever of lack of courtesy, respect, or even enough useful info. > That's what will do in vangons. It's already well started. > It's silly too. > If anyone figures out how someone could ask for a shippng quote without > saying to where.. > let me know please. That only happens about 10 times a day these days. > Just beyond me how that could be so common. There is definitely > something going on .. a self-harming auto-immune system breakdown thing > in the culture, something like that. Something that was always there, > say since WWII .........basic sense........is going away. > It could get vanagons too. > > stay sane ! > > > On 7/11/2013 4:46 PM, Derek Drew wrote: >> Every freaking one of us, just about, is 60 give or take a decade. >> >> So, the Vanagon scene is going to die out *all at once* in about 20 >> years from now when we stop carrying ignition keys. >> >> In fact, I predict that it will die out in exactly the year 2030 like >> a rock falling out of a building. >> >> This will be the end of the VW-van-boomers bouncing off what happened >> in 1968 and the promise of a better less restricted life and being >> imprinted with some meaning from the idea of VW vans with engines in >> the back. >> >> The people who were five years old in 1968 were not imprinted as >> strongly with this. >> >> There are parallels to what is going to happen with the end of the >> baby boomers and the destruction of the social security system >> economically. >> >> In other words.... if you want to sell your Vanagon to get your money >> back out of it, you should sell it in the next 10 years before our >> group begins pealing off or losing their driver's licenses due to old >> age because then there will be a flood on the market of vans being >> sold by old timers and fewer people to replace those fanatics. >> >> The only thing that can stop the flood is if the owners decide to >> bequeath the vans to their sons or grandsons. But many of these >> people won't really have the patience, so don't expect them to have >> the commitment that we did. Then *they* will sell their rigs onto the >> market, or let them rust into oblivion. You can't exactly say, "Oh, >> its easy, just read the posts from Samba, Vanagon List, and >> Yahoo vanagon groups and you will be all set with this vehicle. You >> only have 1 million posts to read and understand and you will be in >> total control." >> >> I myself will singlehandedly keep the scene going until 2040 because >> I won't stop driving the vans until I crash *all* of mine due to old >> age (or off-roading them too hard). >> >> At 02:11 PM 7/11/2013, you wrote: >>> Buncha young squirts out here Mark....60 myself in April >>> >>> VWs since 1961, Buses since 1967, Vanagons since 1992 (An 80 POS and >>> my two >>> current 84s) >>> >>> -- >>> Jim Thompson >>> 84 GL 1.9 "Gloria" >>> 84 Westfalia 2.1 "Ole Putt" >>> 72 411 Station Wagon "Pug" >>> 75 914 1.8 "Nancy" >>> Full Timing From March 1999 To January 2012 >>> oldvolkshome@gmail.com >>> http://www.oldvolkshome.com >>> Find me on Facebook: >>> http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Thompson/100000710343835 >>> *********************************** >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Mark Dearing <VWBrain@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I just turned 60 later mark d >>> > >>> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Derek Drew >> Washington DC / New York >> derekdrew@derekmail.com >> Email is best normally but... >> PHONE: 202-966-7907 (Call the number at left normally) >> (alt/cell for diligent calling only): 703-408-1532 >>


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