Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 08:37:12 -0700
Reply-To: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Redline Water Wetter + No-Rosion
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If those of you in the sun belt want to run straight water with Water Wetter
you also need to add a corrosion inhibitor like No-Rosion:
http://www.norosion.com/ Get the test kit too so you'll know when to add
more. Racers run this mixture.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Don Hanson
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 11:02 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Redline Water Wetter
In my experience, when your cooling system is running at close to or above
it's maximum ability to cool...Water wetter works as advertised.
Yes, plain water does cool better than antifreeze mix. I am no chemist
but I've been told that the Water Wetter works by reducing the surface
tension of water...Probably didn't say that right, but it enhances the
ability of water to transfer heat...
Sometimes a properly functioning cooling system and everything working as
designed....it is still not enough to allow the motor to maintain
temperature properly. Say what you will..I am just relaying my experience
and the experience of others around me. Sometimes stuff runs too hot and
water wetter does enhance cooling...it really does...
I don't sell the stuff nor have any financial stake in it's sales but I
use it in vehicles that get hot and it has good results.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> The 20% reduction in temperature isn't from adding water wetter, it's
> from running pure water. Water by itself does a better job of moving
> heat than water + ethylene glycol. Also, in a properly working cooling
> system the 20% reduction at the radiator has no effect inside the
> motor because your engine coolant temperature is being managed by your
> thermostat. In other words you've had no effect on your internal
> working temperature. You are far better off running a proper
> antifreeze mix and keeping your cooling system properly maintained.
>
> But water wetter added to a proper antifreeze mix will have an effect
> on the temperature of your head because it increases the heat transfer
> effectiveness between the internal metal parts of your engine & coolant.
> The
> effect is only about 2%.
>
> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
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> www.raspberryproject.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> Behalf Of Don Hanson
> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 7:42 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Redline Water Wetter
>
> I recently put this product into my sportbike's cooling system. The
> bike has a very accurate and reactive temperature LED readout. This
bike,
> a four cylinder 600 cc Honda four makes about the same HP as a
> Vanagon, but of course, has less torque at just 46ft/lbs..(doesn't
> need torque at just 370lbs wet weight and a 14,500 rpm redline) still,
> enough power to push it along to ~160mph.. at the track, of course.
>
> These bikes run pretty hot, especially when ridden slowly in traffic.
> They routinely run up to 230f..the cooling fan comes on at 217f. At
> highway speeds they run at 180f, but just a mile or two in town will
> take the temperature right up and the fan will come on, holding the
> readout at about 220-230f....a little too hot, in my opinion.
>
> So recently, before a track day at Oregon Raceway Park, I drained
> most of the coolant (ethylene glycol antifreeze, when spilled on the
> racing surface, makes for very poor traction and dangerous conditions,
> hard to clean off, too) and replaced it with distilled water and Red
> Line Water Wetter...I didn't flush the system, which leaves a little
anti-freeze in
> there to help lubricate things) Now, even in our recent triple digit
> temperatures, my bike still runs at 180f on the highway but in town it
> rarely goes above 212f and I haven't felt the fan come on in three
> sprirted street rides....It did come on at the track after a session
> going flat out, but only as I ran slowly into the paddock. I also
> used this product in my race car with similar results to the coolant
> temperature...
>
> My own Vanagon's inline VW motor doesn't run particularly hot but I
> see some posts from people who're concerned about their vanagon's
> coolant temps.
> This product works, just about how it says on the bottles....a slight
> reduction in operating temperatures if you just add it to your normal
> antifreeze mix and up to 20% cooler if you reduce the
> anti-freeze/water ratio down and add the W.W. as directed.
> I had three full racing seasons on my water cooled Porsche race car
motor
> and the coolant system looked perfect. One thing that is important is to
> remember every fall that you have NO ANTIFREEZE! with Water Wetter.
> Don't ask how I know this.
> Don Hanson
>
>
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