Date:         Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:56:45 -0400
Reply-To:     Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Bad fuel economy (solution) Ethanol, LVC
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I think we use the corn based stuff because we can grow a lot of it.

Dennis


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Subject: Re: Bad fuel economy (solution) Ethanol, LVC

On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Dennis Haynes
<d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:

> The ethanol is really not going to kill our vehicles any more than
> unleaded fuel or modern engine oil or even current antifreeze. The
> ethanol bend helps reduce pollution as it is a safer oxygenate then
> MTBE. The oxygenate helps reduce carbon monoxide emissions
> particularly for short engine cycles and cold climate areas. In
> addition ethanol is a cleaner burning fuel than gasoline. There is
> probably also a benefit of the ethanol burning characteristics
> reducing the formation of NOx. Yes there is an economy and performance
> hit. However the EPA is working to have all of use 15% so we just have
> to adapt. Just like all diesel will be 15% bio-diesel soon.
>
> Dennis
>

    Just curious about ethanol and it's base.   I have 'heard' that many
other countries use beets or cane to make their ethanol and that those
crops are a lot more effective than subsidized corn,   effective at getting
the vehicles moved for the least cost ..Some have said it actually takes
more than a gallon of fuel in the supply chain to produce a gallon of corn
ethanol.at the 'gas' pump.  How about the sugar beet or sugar cane type
ethanol?   Is that the case there, too?  Or is government-subsidized corn
ethanol actually THE best way to make this stuff?