Date:         Sun, 1 Sep 2013 11:21:16 -0500
Reply-To:     JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         JRodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Bad fuel economy (solution) Ethanol, LVC
Comments: To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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We can't grow sugar cane they way they can in Brazil, but we sure can
grow the corn. Nearly all corn today is a GMO corn - so lets keep it in
the gas tank where it does just fine - but I do not want that same corn
on my dinner plate. For that - give me non-GMO corn to power my body -
let the GMO corn power the cars.

John

On 9/1/2013 9:56 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
> I think we use the corn based stuff because we can grow a lot of it.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Don Hanson
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 9:36 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Bad fuel economy (solution) Ethanol, LVC
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Dennis Haynes
> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The ethanol is really not going to kill our vehicles any more than
>> unleaded fuel or modern engine oil or even current antifreeze. The
>> ethanol bend helps reduce pollution as it is a safer oxygenate then
>> MTBE. The oxygenate helps reduce carbon monoxide emissions
>> particularly for short engine cycles and cold climate areas. In
>> addition ethanol is a cleaner burning fuel than gasoline. There is
>> probably also a benefit of the ethanol burning characteristics
>> reducing the formation of NOx. Yes there is an economy and performance
>> hit. However the EPA is working to have all of use 15% so we just have
>> to adapt. Just like all diesel will be 15% bio-diesel soon.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>
>      Just curious about ethanol and it's base.   I have 'heard' that many
> other countries use beets or cane to make their ethanol and that those
> crops are a lot more effective than subsidized corn,   effective at getting
> the vehicles moved for the least cost ..Some have said it actually takes
> more than a gallon of fuel in the supply chain to produce a gallon of corn
> ethanol.at the 'gas' pump.  How about the sugar beet or sugar cane type
> ethanol?   Is that the case there, too?  Or is government-subsidized corn
> ethanol actually THE best way to make this stuff?
>