Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 13:54:09 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Organization: Cosmic Reminders
Subject: Re: A Mystery
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you look , visually, for things that match the symptom.
A starter that's an elcheapo brand,
a starter that looks like it's been in there decades..
corrosion on any connections in the entire battery-starter-ground
cables-iignitions switch circuit.
if it will do it ..employ 'substitue and bypass' strategy ..
rig a remote starter button ..
if it always starts that way,
but occasionally misses or won't work from the key ..consider igntion
switch ........or just if the starter trigger terminal is getting a good
enough shot of juice from the ign sw.
in some cases I'll install a starter booster relay ..
or even heavy duty redundant starter button circuit. Those I like to do
'full hot' from battery to heavy duty starter button on the dash , to
starter, and with fairly fat wires too. . That makes for a 'always hot'
starter button ..a possibly safety concern ..
That will sure work though, or often does.
it's like when a motorist has a symptom , an intermittant one.
They take it a shop. The shop says 'it won't do it for us' ..and they
stop right there.
I would always at least identify a few weak spots in the associated
circuit, and 'do something' ..increasing the chances that it will be
either fixed, or at at least progress on the issue will be made.
"It's just a blockage or leakage of fluids or electrons.'
oh .......btw..if anyone like Bill M. thinks I am just restating what I
read in someone else's post ..nope. I never do that.
Often I post a reply, and before mine appears, someone else's doesand it
may look like that to some people.
Let's try to be very careful about making public comments about
individuals on the list. Gosip privately behind my back if you like. lol.
If that makes you feel better.
thnx.
S.
On 9/1/2013 11:51 AM, JRodgers wrote:
> Well, now what?
>
> I have been out to trouble shoot my mysterious no start problem and I
> can't get it to fault. Starts every time .... so far. How do you fix
> what ain't broke - seemingly!
>
> These are the times that try men's souls!!
>
> John
>
> On 9/1/2013 12:47 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
>> Let's start with the "no start" first. While cranking does the
>> alternator
>> warning light remain lighted and does the tach needle move? If not
>> check the
>> ignition switch. It may fail to power the ignition circuit while in the
>> cranking position. Next step is battery and ground connections. A bad
>> engine
>> ground (the big one) can make for hard starting while cranking.
>>
>> For the locking mechanism look for something mechanical like a broken
>> spring
>> in the latch or it somehow got pushed closed while the door was open.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> JRodgers
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:06 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: A Mystery
>>
>> Scenario:
>>
>> Sam's parking lot with a nice slope.
>>
>> Vehicle - '88 GL with manual Tranny.
>>
>> Park. First gear. set Brake. Exit vehicle.
>>
>> Spend the money in Sams.
>>
>> Back to the parking lot.
>>
>> Unlock, enter driver side, close door - WHAM - door won't even shut.
>> Bounces back open. Examine locking mechanism - something is loose.
>> Work with
>> the little loose thingamajig until it flips over and will engage the
>> locking
>> bar on the door post. (Mental note to self - look and see what's
>> loose when
>> home.)
>>
>> Key in the ignition - Tranny to neutral, turn switch - system hot, pause
>> - turn switch to engage starter. Starter engages and turns engine like
>> crazy. Engine refuses to start. Doesn't even sputter. Ignition off -
>> try a
>> gain. Same scene. No start - even a sputter.
>>
>> Next effort: Vehicle in 3rd gear - clutch in, ignition on but not to
>> start,
>> release brake, turn wheels towards down hill, start to roll. Pick up a
>> little speed, release clutch, engine coughs, starts, runs fine all
>> the way
>> home.
>>
>> Test: Tried it again. Same scenario. Starter turns engine but it won't
>> start. Roll it down hill, engage engine with ignition on - starts every
>> time.
>>
>> It's a mystery.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on?? Door AND engine?? Vanagon
>> gremlins have taken up residency maybe? I'm mystified.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>> .
>>
>
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