Date: | Mon, 7 Oct 2013 13:10:08 -0700 |
Reply-To: | Angus Gordon <birdworks@GMAIL.COM> |
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From: | Angus Gordon <birdworks@GMAIL.COM> |
Subject: | Re: 2.2 into a 1.9 case |
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Interesting, especially with two waterboxers torn apart in my barn at the
moment! What are my odds?
I could also point out that the failure rate for every engine is 100%,
unless you specify some sort of service life or overhaul period.
Angus
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Jim Akiba <syncrolist@bostig.com> wrote:
> I like that GoWesty gives stats on their engines failures, it is
> really an important bit of info for customers.
>
> "There are inherent risks in undertaking what is already the
> complicated task of overhauling a VW waterboxer engine—even in the
> "stock," original form. VW's own waterboxer overhaul program in Canada
> ended miserably with an overall failure rate of close to 50%. By
> contrast, only around 5% of GoWesty-built engines have experienced
> some sort of issue—which is stellar by comparison. However, when you
> are talking about total engines built in the thousands, even a
> relatively small percentage of issues produces some extremely unhappy
> and loud people, many of whom feel the need to spread the bad news.
> The other 95% with no engine issues whatsoever are mostly... silent.
> Such is human nature, right?"
>
> http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=1452
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > GoWesty warrants their 2200 1.9 case engine for 48,000 miles or 48
> months.
> > You should be able to do at least as well, and keep us posted. Follow
> their
> > guidelines as well: http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=860
> >
> > Stuart
> > '85 Westy, considering engine options while the 1.9 still runs!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > George Laubach
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 4:49 AM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: 2.2 into a 1.9 case
> >
> > Thanks for the catch, Scott. Not drive shaft, I should have stated crank
> > shaft....I appreciate correct verbiage as well. As they say in the
> birding
> > world, you're only as good as your last mis-identified bird....
> >
> > Re coolant changes and radiator, new rad 4,000 miles ago (10 months) and
> new
> > coolant since May, and new "half pipes" from TK. I can imagine that the
> > engine may tax the cooling system a bit more (needle right over LED and
> > steady). I run Valvoline 20W 50 and premium gas.
> >
> > Has anyone else on the list done this conversion? I'm kind of
> interested in
> > hearing any counterpoints to doing this conversion; not necessarily what
> > would be a better motor option, but why this is not a good idea. Total
> > engine investment (engine parts and labor) = $2500.
> >
> > Skip
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> > <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I wouldn't worry about the studs in a waterboxer ( other than
> >> corrosion from lack of coolant changes getting to them.)
> >>
> >> sure, air-cooled VW's had chronic case stud problems, but never in a
> > waterboxer that I have heard of.
> >>
> >> Not sure what is meant by a 'driveshaft' in an 84 Westy. It's not AWD
> or
> > anything.
> >> rear axles ?
> >> camshaft ?
> >>
> >> The heat load on the cooling system will be more than that produced by
> > tired 1.9 that came out of course.
> >> If the radiator is original , you may think about that.
> >>
> >> Just be nice to it and if it's going to hang together it probably will.
> >> 1,000 miles without any real engine issues is a good sign.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/24/2012 7:35 PM, George Laubach wrote:
> >>> Interesting, so extra stress on the head studs. I reused the heads
> (and
> > studs), "refurbished" by the machine shop.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 24, 2012, at 9:25 PM, "Tom Hargrave" <thargrav@hiwaay.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't know about the water cooled engines but pushing a set of air
> >>>> cooled cases could make the studs that fasten the cylinders & heads
> >>>> to the cases strip. We used to install a set of "case savers" in
> >>>> anything that made horsepower.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, Tom Hargrave
> >>>> www.stir-plate.com
> >>>> www.towercooler.com
> >>>> www.kegkits.com
> >>>> www.grow-sun.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> >>>> Behalf Of George Laubach
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:59 PM
> >>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>>> Subject: 2.2 into a 1.9 case
> >>>>
> >>>> Now that I've driven subject for 1,000 miles or so with
> >>>> satisfaction, learning as I go about timing, rocker arm adjustment,
> >>>> compression, and brake, clutch, and coolant bleeding, etc., etc.,
> >>>> etc., I was curious about any potential hazards that I should be
> >>>> paranoid about as it relates to this arrangement of a 2200cc
> >>>> piston/cylinder into a 1.9L case ('84 Westy) (longest sentence I've
> >>>> ever written). Along with the new P/C's I also installed new
> > driveshaft, connecting rods and cam (and new lifters).
> >>>>
> >>>> What might your wisdom conject? What might I worry about? I was
> >>>> thinking things like, well, the air flow, fuel injection, and
> >>>> cooling system was designed for a 1.9, but now is "managing" a 2.2L
> >>>> system. Maybe the larger system puts an extra strain on the
> >>>> components? I've seen no outward symptoms that I can correlate to an
> > "imbalance".
> >>>>
> >>>> So, care to wonder, perhaps with more wisdom or experience than this
> >>>> writer/driver?
> >>>>
> >>>> Skip
> >>>>
> >>>> -----
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> >>>>
> >>
>
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