Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:32:43 -0400
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: She runs!!!!! Finally
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If its oil the problem is the rings or intake valve guides. If its coolant
bad internal head seals or cracked heads.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Craig Cowan
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:21 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: She runs!!!!! Finally
The lifters pumped up well and I made the final valve adjustment. It's
shocking how much that quiets down and smooths things out!
Anyway, it's running.
I've heat cycled it 4-5 times (10-15min each time) and set the timing. The
idle is rock solid and the system feels smooth and quiet.
However..........
There is quite defined exhaust smoke. It's hard to tell if its coolant or
oil related though. I do expect a certain level of bad smoke for a while
since this engine has sat for years, but in the past when I bring one back
to life it stops smoking by about now.
What can I possibly test and check?
-craig
On Oct 17, 2013, at 7:08 PM, JimFelder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> To answer the question about priming the lifters, stand them up
> straight submerged in engine oil. Take a sharp pick with a comfortable
> handle and press down on the ball in the top of the lifter so the
> cavity under it can fill with oil. This way, they are already filled
> with oil when you start the engine and they don't need driving around to
get oil in them.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Dennis Haynes
<d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The valve adjustment won't affect the time it takes for bad lifters
>> to quiet down. Running them lose does add the ability of the piston
>> to bang against the circlip or snap ring holding it in and then at
>> some point the lifter can come apart and you have pieces in the
>> engine. BTDT twice in the past year.
>> Also adjusting them wrong does effect the geometry of the rocker to
>> valve stem travel and the screws are wear items. They do get a wear
>> pattern and should be replaced when adjustment is needed after
>> prolonged use or changing of valve parts.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of Craig Cowan
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:44 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: She runs!!!!! Finally
>>
>> So I just put an engine in my new 87 2wd. It's out of a manual with
>> 260,000 miles but was supposed to be running good when pulled. I
>> pulled the heads and replaced them with a better used set, changed
>> the main seal, and freshened up every nut, bolt, and part that's attached
to it.
>> Today I got it running!
>> It's run for about a minute. Loud, sounds rough, but does not have a
>> distinct rod hammering. Heck, it's pretty smooth. May have a miss but
>> I'll work that out.
>>
>> Anyway, I set the valves to be just touching, as I don't know or
>> expect the lifters to work properly. Anyway, the lifters are
>> seemingly firm, the push rods are in place (I double checked after
>> running it), and it does fire right up. What's next?
>> Should I properly set the valves to two turns past touching, or keep
>> running it this way until the lifters can better pump up?
>>
>> I plan to do a compression check tomorrow to see that I've got 4 good
>> cylinders, but expect it to be pretty healthy.
>>
>> I'll pull plugs to determine if its running on 3, but I believe I've
>> probably got all 4 and its just a bunch of valve noise I'm hearing.
>>
>>
>> -craig
>>
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