Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:26:05 -0700
Reply-To: mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET>
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From: mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: 5 speeds, was: Noisy transaxle??
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As Scott said, changing to a 5 speed is not a simple bolt in starting
out with an 82 diesel van. The engine is mounted too far forward for the
longer tranny and there are some complications with the linkage even if
you get the 5 speed linkage parts. I won't go into all the details but
it is a project to do it. In 83 they moved the diesel engines back for
the newer type of trannys and changed a bunch of related things. The 83
and newer diesels and waterboxers are built to accept either a 5 speed
or 4 speed with little other change needed. Earlier vans have some
issues to deal with. Sorry.
Mark
ralph meyermann wrote:
> Think I can handle that pattern, now the hard part of bolting it in and the
> connection of the shift linkage.
>
> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
> On Oct 22, 2013 4:08 PM, "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The layout for a factory five-speed is all the way left and forward,
>> reverse. All the way left and back, first. Forward in the middle slot,
>> second. Pull back into third. Forward to the right is fourth, and you pull
>> back into fifth. Fourth and fifth on all but your very steepest hills,
>> that's what you get with a five speed. There is no pushing down to engage
>> any gears, just click click click. Mine was rebuilt 100K miles ago and
>> shifts very smoothly and precisely.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:00 PM, ralph meyermann <ralphmeyermann@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> so instead of pushing down left and forward for reverse, it would be down
>>> left then back ? I could handle that, Velma is primarily a road
>>> trip/camping vehicle. This is my first VW and not informed on the various
>>> shift patterns.
>>>
>>> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy
>>> On Oct 22, 2013 3:02 PM, "mark drillock" <mdrillock@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is no way to make 4 gears as useful as 5 for a non-tdi diesel.
>>>> Spreading out 4 gears to cover the same range as 5 leaves gaps that the
>>>> weaker engine can't deal with.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need to go down before left if you have the original 5 speed
>>>> shifter. If you use the 4 speed shifter then the reverse lockout guide
>>>> blocks 1st so you have to go down before you go left and back.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> Stacy Schneider wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First is like going in to reverse on a classic beetle every time
>>>>> you come away from a stop sign .
>>>>> Of course this is my opinion . Some people may just shift around
>>>>> it and put the wear on their clutch instead .
>>>>> Sure it may give you a spread in shifting . But so will a well
>>>>> built. 4 speed and none of the dreaded down and left every time you
>>> stop .
>>>>> My. 914/6 had the same set up ,except you didn't have to push
>>>>> down to get in gear and I didn't 't care for it either. .
>>>>> I grew up driving and stick and have never owned any thing
>>> else
>>>>> . In my opinion 1st gear belongs up and left . Add as many gears on
>>> the
>>>>> end , I am fine as well . But left and down for 1 st ,no thanks .
>>>>>
>>>>> Stacy
>>>>> Vanagonsplus.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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